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Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!

Yeah, but what made him like that? He is a psychotic one trick pony, not a character. Act threatening, grin, act threatening again, laugh it off, rinse and repeat.

We might get that soon. I thought the previews had him shaven..so either he cleans up in Alexandria or we see a past event.

Right now, they're just solidifying not just his jerkiness, but also how he subtly gets into people's minds....what seems like rinse and repeat to me just is laying foundations for a variety of strong responses, coming to a big payoff in the next 1/2 and the next season
 
Geez... I haven't posted in here in almost a month. That ought to tell you how damn bored I've been with this half season. I actually just let this last one go to DVR, & then when I went to watch it, I already got bored by the time Carl is waving to Jesus from the truck. I shut it off & went a whole day before finishing it, as a sort of obligatory viewing, just to know what happened.

The stupid tiger has been the most unusual thing about the whole run, between Glen & Abe, until now. The rest of it has just been one long pwned. We get it. He controls people. All the people, The Kingdom, The Hilltop, Alexandria, The widows, etc, etc, etc... All your base are belong to us. That's all we get for 6 weeks, look at all these people Negan owns? Are we really at the midseason finale already? It feels like nothing has happened at all. We introduced a couple new characters

I'm sorry to be complaining. I normally don't like to do that, & that too would explain why it's been weeks since I've been in here. Nothing good to say, so saying nothing at all
 
The ratings have stabilized with 10.48 viewers (10.40 last week). The midseason finale tends to draw higher, so the slide is at least temporarily halted.
 
Everyone is so worried about the ratings, yeah they're low but after the peak of the season starter it had nowhere to go but down and though this is the lowest the show has seen in several seasons its still one of the most-watched shows on TV particularly for a cable series on Sunday night where it still comes in first among non-sports/news programing and comes in first in the "key demographic."

I thought this episodes was good, I mean, Jeffery Dean Morgan is too much of a delight even if Negan at times can feel a bit one dimensional and a bit... "out of place" given the context of the show; I sort of felt that way with Tara too last week where her snarkiness just felt really out of place. She's standing there with several women pointing guns at her, threatening to kill her and she's cracking wise like she's in a Melissa McCarthy movie (and no, that's not to pile on the "fat-shaming" the actress got over social media given her perceived heaviness in the episode filmed shortly after her return from maternity leave where she was still breast-feeding and hadn't yet lost her pregnancy weight. I picked McCarthy simply due to the style of her humor, not her physical appearance.) So Negan on a similar front feels out of place, granted it's been a few years into the apocalypse and he has it pretty good so maybe he's not as emotionally stricken as pretty much everyone else in the world but it feels out of place compared to how "realistic" and "grim" we've seen characters behave in the past. It's an odd tonal shift for the series.

The A-Half has sort of drug, we've spent very little time with many of the main characters or moving their stories forward and there's little need for any of the 90-minute episodes, except maybe the mid-season finale. Only reason I can think for doing it is because JDM is delivering so much material and chewing so much scenery they need to expand the run-time in order to get more ad revenue with the extra commercial time.

But, damn if he doesn't make this fun. And we did seem some "real" moments from Negan here when he dropped the act for a moment to bond with Carl and then later to be "real" with Olviia, in front of Carl, possibly to show he's not a complete ass and that much of this is an "act" or "show." The scenes at The Sanctuary were great in how they were virtually adapted directly from the comic. The face-burning/iron scene I thought looked great and gruesome more props to Nicotero and his team.

Spencer is so getting it next week.

Negan does keep the women in his harem looking nice.

I saw Negan's reaction to Olivia slapping him coming from a mile away but, boy, if JDM didn't deliver the hell out of it, actually caused me, my parents, and my brother to laugh out-loud. Negan playing with Judith was also pretty fun to see and interesting to see given how events in the comic go (Negan never meets Judith.) And boy has she gotten big! I'd say she's fully 2 now, meaning we can officially say we're at least 3 years into the apocalypse. (Judith's age plus, Lori's "overdue" pregnancy time, and the time of the apocalypse itself before Rick wakes up.)


I suspect Dwight has now turned and he's working to help Daryl, and himself, escape. I wonder if he's going to take his wife with him because, or does he trust she's 100% safe and Negan won't use her as potential leverage to pull Dwight back when he learns of his defection. I do wonder where Ninja Jesus went, did none of The Saviors see him get off the top of the box-van? And another "real" moment when Negan tells Daryl his intent to simply take Carl home.

Interesting episode and feels like quite a bit needs to happen next week.

But my prediction: Spencer is dead.
 
Negan is an odd one, JDM is a joy to watch (I felt bad for laughing a couple of times this week, especially his "I like you a whole 50% more than I did now" line) yet Negan is a curiously one note villain. I get that he keeps people off balance, but some of the stuff he does is just plain dumb. Why keep dissing Dwight about his wife? Does he want the guy to consider using the iron on him next time? I get that in abusive relationships its about keeping the other person constantly in a subservient position, just seems like he's taking it too far with Dwight. Like Ramsey with Reek even the most broken of people tend to have a point where you push them too far.

Daryl seemed to be staring at the top of the truck, did he see SpiderJesus? I'm still not sure what Daryl's cunning plan is, or even if he has one.

Damn but Father Gabriel made me laugh out loud.

Rosita being mean to Eugene was, well mean, as has been said Eugene in many ways it far more useful than she is--though I am glad she's at least getting stuff to do this season.

At least they followed a few character strands this week. Still love the show, but have to say I'm finding it a little bit of a slog at times this season.
 
I thought this episodes was good, I mean, Jeffery Dean Morgan is too much of a delight even if Negan at times can feel a bit one dimensional and a bit... "out of place" given the context of the show; I sort of felt that way with Tara too last week where her snarkiness just felt really out of place. She's standing there with several women pointing guns at her, threatening to kill her and she's cracking wise like she's in a Melissa McCarthy movie (and no, that's not to pile on the "fat-shaming" the actress got over social media given her perceived heaviness in the episode filmed shortly after her return from maternity leave where she was still breast-feeding and hadn't yet lost her pregnancy weight.

Jokes were made about her weight (referring to her being swift) on Talking Dead, so if Masterson can roll with that, others should, too.

But, damn if he doesn't make this fun. And we did seem some "real" moments from Negan here when he dropped the act for a moment to bond with Carl and then later to be "real" with Olviia, in front of Carl, possibly to show he's not a complete ass and that much of this is an "act" or "show."

...well, that murdering Glenn & Abraham...and burning faces thing might stand in the way of showing his lighter side.

Spencer is so getting it next week.

One preview clip seems to show him a moment away from shaking hands with one of the Saviors. I see Negan making an example of him for betrayal (disrupting the system of one of his providers) , but not before Spencer setting the stage for some horrible series of events in the next episode.

I suspect Dwight has now turned and he's working to help Daryl, and himself, escape. I wonder if he's going to take his wife with him because, or does he trust she's 100% safe and Negan won't use her as potential leverage to pull Dwight back when he learns of his defection. I do wonder where Ninja Jesus went, did none of The Saviors see him get off the top of the box-van? And another "real" moment when Negan tells Daryl his intent to simply take Carl home.

The problem with the idea of Dwight turning is that he has nowhere to go--unless he leaves Virginia forever. Setting Daryl free and trying to join a resistance would not be an option, as Dwight already knows Negan does not fear the any of the three groups he's exploiting, and there's no guarantee that any would risk death trying to become one army against the Saviors.


Why keep dissing Dwight about his wife? Does he want the guy to consider using the iron on him next time? I get that in abusive relationships its about keeping the other person constantly in a subservient position, just seems like he's taking it too far with Dwight.

He's testing Dwight---he likely suspects Dwight is not the "all in" lieutenant he pretends to be, and pushes enough buttons to see if he's on the edge of being completely broken. He's also aware that Dwight still sneaks around to speak to Sherry--giving Negan the excuse to abuse him yet again.

Daryl seemed to be staring at the top of the truck, did he see SpiderJesus? I'm still not sure what Daryl's cunning plan is, or even if he has one.

Well, from the previews, he uses that key...but I cannot see that going well for him.

Rosita being mean to Eugene was, well mean, as has been said Eugene in many ways it far more useful than she is--though I am glad she's at least getting stuff to do this season.

Agreed--he has a wealth of applied knowledge, and has helped ASZ. All Rosita has contributed is fighting walkers--and Eugene stepped up to do the same...in the face of Rosita assuming he was some inept coward. I hope the writers do not have him bend, or act as if she was correct in any part of her nasty tirade.
 
Can someone explain to me what the use is of going to all the trouble of traveling to & making operational an ammunition fabrication workshop, only to make 1 bullet? In a show replete with wasted, misused, or neglected resources, that ranks right at the top. What kind of idiot do you have to be to think this situation gets resolved with a single bullet? She could have asked him to fill her clip, at the very least
 
Can someone explain to me what the use is of going to all the trouble of traveling to & making operational an ammunition fabrication workshop, only to make 1 bullet? In a show replete with wasted, misused, or neglected resources, that ranks right at the top. What kind of idiot do you have to be to think this situation gets resolved with a single bullet? She could have asked him to fill her clip, at the very least

She only wants one bullet to kill Negan with. Eugene plans to manufacture bullets in quantity but to do so they need shell casings because, presumably, they don't have the resources to manufactuer their own; the bullet itself is easy with the right metals and molds, gun powder is easy to make (Kirk did it on alien planet!) the only hitch is making the primer which we never got details on. (The thing that ignites the gun powder inside the shell when struck by the firing pin.)
 
She only wants one bullet to kill Negan with. Eugene plans to manufacture bullets in quantity but to do so they need shell casings because, presumably, they don't have the resources to manufactuer their own; the bullet itself is easy with the right metals and molds, gun powder is easy to make (Kirk did it on alien planet!) the only hitch is making the primer which we never got details on. (The thing that ignites the gun powder inside the shell when struck by the firing pin.)
So because he only has one casing, he can only make one bullet?
 
Probably. His making bullets from scratch depends on casings--he cannot (from what we've seen so far) create all of the materials.
 
Kind of need a casing to put a bullet into and the casing may be a bit harder to manufacture given limited materials, molds and tools.
Ah, I see. So then why has the conserving of casings never even been considered on this show at all? I mean... I had actually wondered about that a number of times before, but now it seems overwhelmingly obvious
 
Ah, I see. So then why has the conserving of casings never even been considered on this show at all? I mean... I had actually wondered about that a number of times before, but now it seems overwhelmingly obvious

No need to conserve the casings if you've no means to make a new bullet and presumably no one in The Group, or of any of the groups we've ran into, has the knowledge or resources to do it. The ingredients for gunpowder are very simple and easy to acquire but it's not enough you have to have the right "recipe" to mix them in the right quantities to make the powder useful. Get the recipe wrong and the powder will either just burn rather than explode, smolder, or do nothing.

The metal to make the bullet would be fairly easy to come by, you could use pretty much any metal you come across, old coins, tin cans, hell even collect spent bullets and melt them down.

You need the resources to generate a strong enough fire to melt down your metals, fuel is probably becoming more and more scarce.

You need the equipment to to collect the melted metal and to transfer it into the molds.

You need molds.

You need the materials and equipment and devices to properly measure out the right amount of powder, pour into the casing and then to press the bullet into the casing and seal it.

And on top of all of that you need to get/make the primer. (When you pull the trigger on a gun it retracts the firing pin, when the gun fires the pin snaps forward, strikes the primer, the primer ignites the powder which expels the bullet from the casing.) Either Eugene knows how to make the primer as well as the bullet or he's found some unused ones in a factory.

Pressing the bullet into the casing is a fairly delicate and obviously dangerous process. There's tools/equipment to do this at home, but I don't suspect in this world it'd be easy to come by.

Moreover you need time to do all of this, and when you're constantly on the run from murderous people, monsters, and rarely stay in the same place very long and have to find more immediate things (like food) there's little chance to do this. Now that they're "settled" somewhere and have divided up their human resources for scavenging or creating food and for taking care of the wlakers, Eugene has a chance to put together how to make bullets and find a place and equipment to do it.

Making the bullets is in theory "simple" but there's a lot to do beyond "just doing it." It's not something anyone has ever considered as being possible or practical but Eugene, as evidenced by the hair, obviously thinks outside the box. He may be a bit of a doofus and lied about the "cure" thing but he has shown himself to be quite smart so he was able to put this together.

And as smart as all of our other characters may be, they're likely not "science minded" or broad-minded enough like Eugene to contemplate a plan like this until now it's probably been easier to just find bullets than to make try and figure out how to make them.
 
No need to conserve the casings if you've no means to make a new bullet and presumably no one in The Group, or of any of the groups we've ran into, has the knowledge or resources to do it. The ingredients for gunpowder are very simple and easy to acquire but it's not enough you have to have the right "recipe" to mix them in the right quantities to make the powder useful. Get the recipe wrong and the powder will either just burn rather than explode, smolder, or do nothing.
And the traditional "sulfur, charcoal, saltpeter" results only in old-style black powder, which I understand will foul your weapon easily and is also corrosive. Not an ideal substance. And that doesn't even address its propellant quality. How far will black powder even throw a bullet in a modern firearm?

Even people who know the classic Captain Kirk Formula may not know how to create modern smokeless powder (which is what we're really talking about). I have no idea how that's done or how hard it is.

And on top of all of that you need to get/make the primer. (When you pull the trigger on a gun it retracts the firing pin, when the gun fires the pin snaps forward, strikes the primer, the primer ignites the powder which expels the bullet from the casing.) Either Eugene knows how to make the primer as well as the bullet or he's found some unused ones in a factory.
I also have no idea how hard it is to make primer, but assuming it isn't easy: I'm curious whether you could contrive an appropriate substance from any sort of fireworks. I'd bet in TWD it's easier to find leftover fireworks than a functioning chemistry lab.
 
And the traditional "sulfur, charcoal, saltpeter" results only in old-style black powder, which I understand will foul your weapon easily and is also corrosive. Not an ideal substance. And that doesn't even address its propellant quality. How far will black powder even throw a bullet in a modern firearm?

Well, Eugene likely would know the formula, or how to approximate it, for modern gun-powder. That or the old black-powder stuff will be enough for their needs given the world they now live in.
 
So basically, it's highly unlikely that he'd even to be able to make any at all. lol

It's "possible" and in a world where there's no bullet manufacturers anymore anything he's going to make is going to be better than nothing but it's not going to be exactly high-caliber (no pun intended) stuff. He can manufacture basic black powder, he can manufacture the bullet he can get casings and likely acquire, or may well know how to make, the primer. He can potentially make very, very, crude bullets that will serve their purposes and needs. They just won't be ideal.
 
For a complete psychopath, there's something really likeable about Negan. I don't know what, is it his smile? His swagger? Is he one of those guys who reminds everybody of someone they know? Would Dean Jeffery Morgan be the most successful used car salesmen in history?

I'm sure we'll be reminded again in no time that he's the bad guy, but I think props need to go to DJM for pulling this off; I can't see anyone else playing Negan now.
 
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