Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND - Grading & Discussion
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For me, it's often far more annoying how many times in Star Trek the characters have listened exclusively to what we would call Classical Music, with seemingly no indication that anything more recent than the Jazz era (at the very latest) has managed to permeate the pop culture of future humanity. For me, I find it far more realistic that there are characters in the new movies who find Beastie Boys enjoyable.
I did however like the way Star Trek Beyond introduced the pop music through a third-hand character who found the beatz while scavenging from an old school starship, and simply decided she likes the sound.
I've longed for a good starship vs. fighter battle in Trek, but it rarely ever came up in the Prime universe. Even in the big fleet engagements of DS9, it seemed that on the Starfleet side, capital ships outnumbered fighters! I thought Voyager's escape from the Vaadwuar was painfully short for the same reasons, too.
But yeah, no one in Trek every fought anything quite like the swarm. The closest we had was Voyager, and even then that's in an alternate future, and they certainly never fought like them.
How are those anachronisms? They weren't presented as modern items nor are they out of place, like talking about Rock and Roll music in the 1930's or driving a Edsel in a film set in 1955.
Plus, no one ever seemed to complain that O'Brien liked the song, "Louie, Louie". I think Trek got stuck with affordable music for so long that some people embraced the idea that other music had just gone away.For me, it's often far more annoying how many times in Star Trek the characters have listened exclusively to what we would call Classical Music, with seemingly no indication that anything more recent than the Jazz era (at the very latest) has managed to permeate the pop culture of future humanity. For me, I find it far more realistic that there are characters in the new movies who find Beastie Boys enjoyable.
If Jonathan Archer, or someone from the main cast of Enterprise was Krall, this would have been a fantastic movie. You'd think that retroactively specifying Sulu's orientation argument would hold here?
"We can't just invent a new character to be gay/evil, because it would be a forgotten character, that probably wouldn't make it to the next movie, reeking of tokenism."
Okay.
Shut your eyes and imagine... Linda Park as Kraal.
"We can't just invent a new character to be gay/evil, because it would be a forgotten character, that probably wouldn't make it to the next movie, reeking of tokenism."
Okay.
Shut your eyes and imagine... Linda Park as Kraal.
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Not true.
- In the TOS episode "The Omega Glory" (for example) Captain Tracy was never redeemed in any way.
- In "The Ultimate Computer" - Doctor Richard Daystrom (the devices creator) had a near psychotic break as he cheered his device on while it destroyed 4 other Federation Starships - and again was sedated and restrained afterwards (again no redemption here.)
- In "Whom Gods Destroy" Captain garth of Izar was never really redeemed either. They had a new treatment that held out some hope. But prior to that he killed another inmate and attempted to commandeer the Enterprise masquerading as Kirk. He had to be forcibly subdued.
Again PLENTY of examples of TOS stories where a main protagonist was NOT redeemed in the end.
Just Saying.
O, I admit it's tenuous.
But they had to tell us that Edison was a famous Starfleet Captain, that he was famous for (in his youth) serving aboard Archer's Enterprise during the Xindi and Romulan wars, when they could have just used someone who was actually there during season 3 of Enterprise that we watched on TV.
At some point the writers or producers must have thought about mentioning the word "Bakula" but whether they did or did not, nothing seemed to have progressed in that direction, and we got what we got.
Something similar happened in Doctor Who. They wanted the Ninth Doctor back for a special to team up with 11 and 10. They begged, wrote a script for just in case, and begged some more until it became clear that Nine was still very interested in not coming back, so the producer INVENTED a new Doctor Who (persona) that slipped into continuity between the 8th and 9th that no one had ever heard about before.
I like that Sulu is gay for the same reason that I dislike that Kraal was not Reed.
Complaining that Krall refusing redemption makes you feel bad, also kinda misses the point. You're supposed to be disappointed that Krall turned away from redemption. Think Khan throwing Joachim's pleas to just leave back in Joachim's face, or Lenore ignoring her father and taking one last shot at Kirk.
Not that I think it would have been believable if Edison actually did have a change of heart. The writers had done too good of a job in establishing how far gone he was.
I mean - Krall was sitting and stewing in his own rage for a century, had been bitter even before then, cold-bloodily murdered potentially thousands of people in an incredibly painful way, chose to stay on the planet so he could keep murdering people and plotting, was smack-bang in the process of trying to commit genocide (multi-xenocide?)...and he suddenly changes his mind because Kirk gave him a little speech?
I might have brought it from the slightly more morally-grey villains of STID. But not Krall.
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Unless there was another conflict after the period depicted in ENT.
Highly unrealistic. Hatefilled mass murderers tend to be stuck in their ways.
Um, they did get a new ship at the end of TVH.
If new spaceships, aliens and planets don't cut it, then what would qualify as "boldly going"?
Bad example, as no one was "after" the weapon in NEM. If that movie did have a Macguffin, it was Picard's DNA.
I liked the fact that when Krall sees his reflection in the glass you get a brief moment where it seems he might embrace his humanity and destroy the Abronath. It gives the impression that he might find some kind of redemption before reaffirming, no this crazy fuck is gonna do what he came here to do. It really cements the idea that the alien tech he was using to prolong his life over the century on Altamid had dehumanized Edison and fucked with his brain.
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"I like the beats and the shouting" was one of my favorite lines, and coming from Jaylah it was adorable.For me, it's often far more annoying how many times in Star Trek the characters have listened exclusively to what we would call Classical Music, with seemingly no indication that anything more recent than the Jazz era (at the very latest) has managed to permeate the pop culture of future humanity. For me, I find it far more realistic that there are characters in the new movies who find Beastie Boys enjoyable.
I did however like the way Star Trek Beyond introduced the pop music through a third-hand character who found the beatz while scavenging from an old school starship, and simply decided she likes the sound.
And finally Earth wasn't in real danger
So that's at least six out of thirteen.And finally Earth wasn't in real danger
...maybe seven, depending on how much danger you think Khan was to Earth.
I think Edison/Krall was right on the knife edge of helping Kirk. The scene reminded me of Kylo Ren and Han Solo in The Force Awakens. In the latter, he's gonna turn, then sees the sun behind extinguish and falls back into darkness. In Beyond, right after the big speech Krall sees Kirk struggling with all his might to save Yorktown, floats up and just as we all think he's gonna help he sees a shard of glass and his alien reflection, and falls back into violence.
Captain Rudy Ransom of the USS Equinox.
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Not true.
- In the TOS episode "The Omega Glory" (for example) Captain Tracy was never redeemed in any way.
- In "The Ultimate Computer" - Doctor Richard Daystrom (the devices creator) had a near psychotic break as he cheered his device on while it destroyed 4 other Federation Starships - and again was sedated and restrained afterwards (again no redemption here.)
- In "Whom Gods Destroy" Captain garth of Izar was never really redeemed either. They had a new treatment that held out some hope. But prior to that he killed another inmate and attempted to commandeer the Enterprise masquerading as Kirk. He had to be forcibly subdued.
Again PLENTY of examples of TOS stories where a main protagonist was NOT redeemed in the end.
Just Saying.
Nor was Doctor Adams redeemed in "Dagger of the Mind". Killed by the very machine he was abusing.
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