Another thing I just remembered I loved. How about that "Space, the final frontier.." speech at the end by the crew!
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I stayed clear of all the spoilers, so went in cold.
I really liked it. Lacing was good, sfx were amazing, the classical music was good, the acting was good as was the story. Franklin was lovely tip of the hat to ENT, as were uniforms, Xindi and MACOs. I liked the gravity fight near the end, and Pines almost Shatner like hair do. Proper TOS music at the end was great. Saucer separation and destruction was also good.
Bits that could be better see to stop Scotty saying "lassie" every 5 minutes (and for Pegg to get Scottish accent training), dropping the pop music, cutting down on the almostvdyson sphere technology of the Starbase. If you could make that, then why make such a piddly little starship? I was also expecting the A-team music when the resurrected the Franklin. The ex-starship commander gone rouge rationale could also have been better explained.
"Space, the final frontier" ending should have been the one from 2009, with Nimoy reciting it. Nice tribute to him in the storyline.
I really liked it. Lacing was good, sfx were amazing, the classical music was good, the acting was good as was the story. Franklin was lovely tip of the hat to ENT, as were uniforms, Xindi and MACOs. I liked the gravity fight near the end, and Pines almost Shatner like hair do. Proper TOS music at the end was great. Saucer separation and destruction was also good.
Bits that could be better see to stop Scotty saying "lassie" every 5 minutes (and for Pegg to get Scottish accent training), dropping the pop music, cutting down on the almostvdyson sphere technology of the Starbase. If you could make that, then why make such a piddly little starship? I was also expecting the A-team music when the resurrected the Franklin. The ex-starship commander gone rouge rationale could also have been better explained.
"Space, the final frontier" ending should have been the one from 2009, with Nimoy reciting it. Nice tribute to him in the storyline.
Saw Star Trek Beyond last night. I have to say it really went beyond! Not the most revolutionary or original movie, but a solid entry to the franchise and for the 50th anniversary of Star Trek!
Moment of silence for Leonard Nimoy and Anton Yelchin.
I liked the detailed and balanced focus on all the characters.
Kirk has something of a midlife crisis because he did not entirely join Starfleet for himself. A believable internal struggle.
I think Spock's desire to help Vulcan repopulation should have come up earlier with Uhura than 5 years after Vulcan's destruction, but oh well. Not unusual in a sci-fi world.
Gay (or bi) Sulu with a husband and daughter!
I am a bit mad that they didnt' bring back previous minor Enterprise crewmembers. I would have very much preferred to see Gaila, science officer 0718, navigation officer Darwin, and Carol Marcus.
Jaylah's a badass and an awesome-looking alien! And no forced romance subplot for Jaylah. Hooray!
I'm still not understanding how the life-stealing technology made Edison, a human, look completely alien. Also, I disliked that Krall used it in the movie to de-age his appearance. His prominent face ridges in his first scene looked the most impressive.
What was the point of Krall taking Uhura out if he only wanted Syl to test the weapon?
The tracking device joke was clever. Everyone in my theater laughed when McCoy pointed out what Spock had done.
A spiritual ancestor of a Starfleet crew wants violence because he believes it will make the Federation stronger. And modern Starfleet fights for peace and wins. Very true to Gene Roddenberry's vision. And to the principles I and other Star Trek fans espouse.
"Sabotage" sabotages Krall's drone swarm. How very contrived, but hey, rule of cool!
I was not expecting the detailed reference to the ENT era. Including the Xindi: who would have thought that they would be name-dropped on the big screen for the 50th anniversary? But they should have outright stated that Edison served aboard the Enterprise (NX-01). I figure, anyway, that's the only point in canon Star Trek wherein he could have fought the Xindi.
Wow. A photo of all the classic cast altogether from Star Trek V.
Moment of silence for Leonard Nimoy and Anton Yelchin.
I liked the detailed and balanced focus on all the characters.
Kirk has something of a midlife crisis because he did not entirely join Starfleet for himself. A believable internal struggle.
I think Spock's desire to help Vulcan repopulation should have come up earlier with Uhura than 5 years after Vulcan's destruction, but oh well. Not unusual in a sci-fi world.
Gay (or bi) Sulu with a husband and daughter!
I am a bit mad that they didnt' bring back previous minor Enterprise crewmembers. I would have very much preferred to see Gaila, science officer 0718, navigation officer Darwin, and Carol Marcus.
Jaylah's a badass and an awesome-looking alien! And no forced romance subplot for Jaylah. Hooray!
I'm still not understanding how the life-stealing technology made Edison, a human, look completely alien. Also, I disliked that Krall used it in the movie to de-age his appearance. His prominent face ridges in his first scene looked the most impressive.
What was the point of Krall taking Uhura out if he only wanted Syl to test the weapon?
The tracking device joke was clever. Everyone in my theater laughed when McCoy pointed out what Spock had done.
A spiritual ancestor of a Starfleet crew wants violence because he believes it will make the Federation stronger. And modern Starfleet fights for peace and wins. Very true to Gene Roddenberry's vision. And to the principles I and other Star Trek fans espouse.
"Sabotage" sabotages Krall's drone swarm. How very contrived, but hey, rule of cool!
I was not expecting the detailed reference to the ENT era. Including the Xindi: who would have thought that they would be name-dropped on the big screen for the 50th anniversary? But they should have outright stated that Edison served aboard the Enterprise (NX-01). I figure, anyway, that's the only point in canon Star Trek wherein he could have fought the Xindi.
Wow. A photo of all the classic cast altogether from Star Trek V.
I've seen every Star Trek movie in the theatre since TUC when I was 5 years-old, this is the best one I've had the pleasure of seeing in the theatre. The big anniversary movies have a good track record, TVH for the 20th, TUC for the 25th, FC for the 30th, and now Beyond for the 50th! Bring on Kelvin Timeline 4!
I'm so excited for what's to come after this. I think they've finally nailed it with this cast and crew in Beyond, I think they've finally found a way to please both old and new fans in a way '09 and Into Darkness couldn't.
It's the 50th Anniversary and we just got a wonderful film carrying that thought all the way through, giving respect to the old while moving forward to the new, we have a new series stacked with talented writers coming in January that will be distributed worldwide on CBS All-Access and Netflix in 189 countries, and we have a new film already announced with Chris Hemsworth returning and I presume a story already laid out.
This is as exciting a time as ever to be a fan of Trek.
It's the 50th Anniversary and we just got a wonderful film carrying that thought all the way through, giving respect to the old while moving forward to the new, we have a new series stacked with talented writers coming in January that will be distributed worldwide on CBS All-Access and Netflix in 189 countries, and we have a new film already announced with Chris Hemsworth returning and I presume a story already laid out.
This is as exciting a time as ever to be a fan of Trek.
Well, he wasn't doing a Scottish accent, he was doing Scotty's accent. I think I remember Simon Pegg and Anton Yelchin admitting they were doing the accents that James Doohan and Walter Koenig did in TOS rather than going for rather than realistic Scottish and Russian accent back ST '09 came out.
Yeah, Chekov's accent is completely fictional. What kind of "accent" involves constantly switching two consonant sounds for no reason?
I saw the movie a second time. It was nice to see it knowing what was going on, picking up more details, body language from those practicing deception and hints about Krall.
Watch it again and see what you pick up.
A few other things...
Watch it again and see what you pick up.
A few other things...
- I asked about Krall's minions. He said they were worker drones. Missed that the first time.
- The film deserves a solid A more than ever.
- Kirk could have taken out Krall/Edison before he activated the device. Seemed like a plot contrivance that he didn't.
- Edison's motives didn't come across as weak this time around. I understood his hate and how he wouldn't let it go.
It would seem that my mind was playing tricks on me the first time around. When Kirk was walking through the hallway, he passed a redhead and their eyes met. Then I thought they hooked up later when it was actually Chekov and possibly an Orion. Didn't even notice the green skin. It's amazing how you can see what you want to see.
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It's a field jacket (like "The Cage", TMP and ST II.) Probably one in each life pod, along with standard issue emergency food and survival tools. Scotty doesn't have one, because he escaped in a photon tube.
A friend and I wondered about this after our third viewing. The sequence involves lots of unnamed crew hooking up and going through their daily lives. (Possibly the regular stand-ins for the main cast?) Kirk notices a yeoman walking by. Happy crewmembers in corridors. There is an Asian man (IMDb, now updated, credits him as actor Harry Chan) in a blue shirt kissing a woman (in a turbolift?, actor Gina Brinkman), and a shirtless guy (resembling Chekov, but seen only from side-on) getting evicted from an Orion woman's cabin. (Orion played by Fiona Vroom.) It then cuts immediately to Chekov and Sulu at the helm on the bridge.
So we were not sure that the bare-chested guy is Chekov. (I did think it was him, but "Bare-chested guy" doesn't get listed on IMDb.) But it's definitely not Kirk.
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Looks like im the only one so i will keep it brief. Movie was awlful! It was Fast and Furious in Space. From one action piece to another was all this movie was. Its like these guys never watched the Original show or movies. This isnt the Star Trek i grew up watching and loving. Ghostbusters was better and thats sad.
I said my piece, glad everyone else loved it.
I said my piece, glad everyone else loved it.
According to Forbes, this movie earned $5.5. million on Thursday.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...-up-strong-5-5-million-thursday/#7f38eafd230a
I plan to see the film again this weekend.
I do have a question. What did Uhura actually do when she sent the distress signal to Starbase Yorktown? I got something about Starfleet ships being trapped in the nebula. However, I did not fully understand what occurred. Can someone help me with this?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...-up-strong-5-5-million-thursday/#7f38eafd230a
I plan to see the film again this weekend.
I do have a question. What did Uhura actually do when she sent the distress signal to Starbase Yorktown? I got something about Starfleet ships being trapped in the nebula. However, I did not fully understand what occurred. Can someone help me with this?
I thought I was going to to hate it. But it surprised me. The villain was weak and backstory was dire. But the action and collective efforr of all crew really pulled them into a TOS feel.. This movie felt.like it was written by people that knew Star Trek. Starfleet felt more like Prime universe. The effects were amazing. Kirk's pondering about the loneliness if extended space exploration made this feel on a different level to the awful into darkness. I was proud to be a trekker. My 2 friends didnt rate it though. A+
I think you saw a different print.
Wow! We spotted JJ Abram's mate, Greg Grunberg, quite easily in "Beyond" but I just noticed (on IMDb) that his new character is actually...
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Greg Grunberg was also Jim's angry uncle/stepfather(?) in the bonus scenes in 2009 (but only his voice remained in the final cut).
Commander Finnegan
Greg Grunberg was also Jim's angry uncle/stepfather(?) in the bonus scenes in 2009 (but only his voice remained in the final cut).
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I will say this watching the Enterprise just get shredded and then crash on the surface got me a little emotional.
I just got back from seeing it. I loved it. The film felt like a classic episode of TOS right down to an insane starship captain that kirk has to take down. I loved all the refwrenches from the show. Just a fan though simple plot. Only thing I didn't care for was the enterprise A at the end. It just felt so tacked on. It was done much better at the end of the voyage home. Due to losing the ship and then not getting new one till next film
Two thirds of it are great, the stuff on the planet is fun and frothy and fast and a bit different from anything the films have done prior. everyone gets nice moments and the stunt stuff is good.
But it all falls apart at the end for me. I'm also not certain why people on t'internet are celebrating it as not being a rehash of previous stories like Into Darkness when there's more than one setpiece shamelessly nicked and updated from a previous Trek movie.
At times it actually felt like "We never quite managed to do that properly...let's do it again!". So we have a saucer separation and crash landing and a McGuffin that will turn people into dust and even the hero ship crashing in water and the hero having to chase the villain through the city to stop him doing his thing from the very last film. Some of the shots of people reacting to that might as well have been stock footage from Into Darkness.
The ending though I found annoying because it's a variation on the end of every single Star Trek film we've had since Generations. The hero and the villain punching each other to stop the later pressing the button that will unleash their evil scheme (usually a planet destroying super weapon). The punch ups have gotten more elaborate but the only real innovation this time is it's not a planet in danger, but a space station so large it looks like a planet when you're on it.
The shame is the Beastie Boys bit felt like a really clever subversion of how big Hollywood blockbusters climax, no big laser fights but taking the baddy down with rock. But then the whole thing went down the same predictable route. It's amazing how much fear there is in varying the formula when The One With the Whales was such a success for the franchise. Hell, give me God shooting laser beams out of his eyes, at least that was a hero/villain fight no one had done before.
And whilst the idea of Elba having morphed as he sucked the lifeforce from all those different species and becoming more human again as he had more of his own kind for lunch was a good one (I know people beforehand were talking about his look being the most generic Trek alien design possible, turns out that was the point), I found him a bit dull as well. Genetically altered long lived superhuman sent mad by being trapped on a lost planet and plotting revenge with the doomsday weapon he needs to steal from Kirk? He's more Khan than Cumberbatch ever was and everyone who gave the last film a kicking for that recycling should be doing the same here.
Considering people seem to be able to come and go from this planet pretty easily (his sidekick made it to the Yorktown), I'm not sure why he sat on his pathetic ass for 100 years feeling sorry for himself either.
Though I quite like the idea someone who survived the run of Enterprise would be a crazy fucker to be put down like a dog. Wouldn't it have been more fun if it had been an insane Scott Bakula?
The "Star Fleet isn't military and is better than that" message was pretty broken as well, the Federation keep getting attacked by madmen with superweapons, they clearly do need a military to protect them and should probably invest in one.
Also, there was no need whatsoever to destroy the Enterprise, just having it boarded and captured when everyone abandoned ship (with damage to take out the engines so they'd still have to use the Franklin) would have been enough. It's got no emotional weight to it on the third time of doing it and this time they didn't even have the grace to wait till the next film for the new Enterprise to come along. With the A seeming to look exactly the same I'm not sure what the point was, the assembly bit actually really annoyed me, as with Kirk so quickly becoming Captain at the end of the 09 film it felt like they set something up that didn't need to be delivered on straight away but they went for the instant gratification anyway.
I've focused on the negative there because the ending really was no fun for me at all and the good bit of the film--of which there were many--don't lend themselves to much discussion beyond "Yeah, that was sweet". And the cast are all fantastic. Even Deep Roy.
Especially Deep Roy.
Oh, and for all the fuss the Sulu thing is the briefest of background details that's mainly there to add a couple of recognisable faces in danger during the attack. You can read what you like into it (I'm sure homophobes will go with that being Sulu's brother and niece) and I don't think it actually contradicts anything about Prime Sulu, both could quite easily be bisexual.
And when Spock was going through Prime Spock's things (oddly I think any youngsters who haven't seen Trek before would probably assume Nimoy was his dad of the same name, it doesn't really touch on how they're actually the same person) I was actually wondering if they were going to go with the hologram of Shatner idea abandoned from the first film. But that simple cast picture was absolutely perfect and hit me exactly in the way intended. And it means something from The Final Frontier has survived into the new timeline as well as all of Enterprise!
Mildly amused they commissioned a tie in pop song for the film and didn't use it in either of the bits "Classical" music is played.
But it all falls apart at the end for me. I'm also not certain why people on t'internet are celebrating it as not being a rehash of previous stories like Into Darkness when there's more than one setpiece shamelessly nicked and updated from a previous Trek movie.
At times it actually felt like "We never quite managed to do that properly...let's do it again!". So we have a saucer separation and crash landing and a McGuffin that will turn people into dust and even the hero ship crashing in water and the hero having to chase the villain through the city to stop him doing his thing from the very last film. Some of the shots of people reacting to that might as well have been stock footage from Into Darkness.
The ending though I found annoying because it's a variation on the end of every single Star Trek film we've had since Generations. The hero and the villain punching each other to stop the later pressing the button that will unleash their evil scheme (usually a planet destroying super weapon). The punch ups have gotten more elaborate but the only real innovation this time is it's not a planet in danger, but a space station so large it looks like a planet when you're on it.
The shame is the Beastie Boys bit felt like a really clever subversion of how big Hollywood blockbusters climax, no big laser fights but taking the baddy down with rock. But then the whole thing went down the same predictable route. It's amazing how much fear there is in varying the formula when The One With the Whales was such a success for the franchise. Hell, give me God shooting laser beams out of his eyes, at least that was a hero/villain fight no one had done before.
And whilst the idea of Elba having morphed as he sucked the lifeforce from all those different species and becoming more human again as he had more of his own kind for lunch was a good one (I know people beforehand were talking about his look being the most generic Trek alien design possible, turns out that was the point), I found him a bit dull as well. Genetically altered long lived superhuman sent mad by being trapped on a lost planet and plotting revenge with the doomsday weapon he needs to steal from Kirk? He's more Khan than Cumberbatch ever was and everyone who gave the last film a kicking for that recycling should be doing the same here.
Considering people seem to be able to come and go from this planet pretty easily (his sidekick made it to the Yorktown), I'm not sure why he sat on his pathetic ass for 100 years feeling sorry for himself either.
Though I quite like the idea someone who survived the run of Enterprise would be a crazy fucker to be put down like a dog. Wouldn't it have been more fun if it had been an insane Scott Bakula?
The "Star Fleet isn't military and is better than that" message was pretty broken as well, the Federation keep getting attacked by madmen with superweapons, they clearly do need a military to protect them and should probably invest in one.
Also, there was no need whatsoever to destroy the Enterprise, just having it boarded and captured when everyone abandoned ship (with damage to take out the engines so they'd still have to use the Franklin) would have been enough. It's got no emotional weight to it on the third time of doing it and this time they didn't even have the grace to wait till the next film for the new Enterprise to come along. With the A seeming to look exactly the same I'm not sure what the point was, the assembly bit actually really annoyed me, as with Kirk so quickly becoming Captain at the end of the 09 film it felt like they set something up that didn't need to be delivered on straight away but they went for the instant gratification anyway.
I've focused on the negative there because the ending really was no fun for me at all and the good bit of the film--of which there were many--don't lend themselves to much discussion beyond "Yeah, that was sweet". And the cast are all fantastic. Even Deep Roy.
Especially Deep Roy.
Oh, and for all the fuss the Sulu thing is the briefest of background details that's mainly there to add a couple of recognisable faces in danger during the attack. You can read what you like into it (I'm sure homophobes will go with that being Sulu's brother and niece) and I don't think it actually contradicts anything about Prime Sulu, both could quite easily be bisexual.
And when Spock was going through Prime Spock's things (oddly I think any youngsters who haven't seen Trek before would probably assume Nimoy was his dad of the same name, it doesn't really touch on how they're actually the same person) I was actually wondering if they were going to go with the hologram of Shatner idea abandoned from the first film. But that simple cast picture was absolutely perfect and hit me exactly in the way intended. And it means something from The Final Frontier has survived into the new timeline as well as all of Enterprise!
Mildly amused they commissioned a tie in pop song for the film and didn't use it in either of the bits "Classical" music is played.
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