Trek Returning to TV in 2017!

[Rojixus]

To each their own. Whether it's "canon" or not is the least of my concerns. "Canon" has nothing to do with the actual quality of the writing, acting, direction, etc.

If it's a good show, I'll watch it regardless if it's "canon" or not.

Me too!

Me three! Canon be damned! Continutiy be damned! Be a good show's all I ask!

Add me to that list! Canon should be more a suggestion than anything.

 

[Drone]

All Glory Unto the Bomb!

Why you gotta bring up Nemesis?

I know that's you're referring to but I couldn't help thinking of Beneath the Planet of the Apes when hearing that line!!!

 

[section31agent]

I came across a petition at change.org to ask CBS to set the new series in the prime universe.

Link: https://goo.gl/TEGISi

Thanks, I signed. Although I agree that execs usually don't give a shit about online petitions it doesn't hurt to create some buzz and make our wishes known. Even the Washington Post is supporting the prime universe lol.

And in this case it doesn't cost anything for them to give us what we want. Saving Enterprise from cancellation when the ratings are poor is one thing. But the network has already green lit the 2017 series and which universe it takes place in shouldn't affect their production costs in any way.

I don't think nuTrek fans will really care either way but the original fanbase is dying to see the prime timeline again. So just let us have what we want.

I actually like the Abrams movies myself and I don't mind seeing an alternate universe of the original crew. But for a tv series I'd really like them to go back and build on the rich and detailed history of the prime universe instead of an alternate universe of a crew we've never seen before.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't think nuTrek fans will really care either way but the original fanbase is dying to see the prime timeline again. So just let us have what we want.

Uh, I've been a fan since the late 1960s. How am I not part of the original fanbase?

 

[The Wormhole]

All Glory Unto the Bomb!

Why you gotta bring up Nemesis?

I know that's you're referring to but I couldn't help thinking of Beneath the Planet of the Apes when hearing that line!!!

Heh, I thought something similar. Well, I actually thought of the Futurama episode where they made a joke about that.

Fry: "You guys worship a nuclear bomb that never detonated?"
Mutant: "Well, no one's really that observant. We just come here for Christmas and Easter."

 

[BillJ]

I don't think nuTrek fans will really care either way but the original fanbase is dying to see the prime timeline again. So just let us have what we want.

Then go read the novels.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

But for a tv series I'd really like them to go back and build on the rich and detailed history of the prime universe instead of an alternate universe of a crew we've never seen before.

"To boldly go where all fans have been before..."

Has a nice ring to it.

 

[Warped9]

Ugh...God!

You Trek fans sound like a bunch of old nagging women.

Support the show and quit complaining, because if you don't support it you will be the ones to blame for it being killed.

Agreed. That was what killed the Stargate franchise.

It was bullshit when Enterprise apologists were saying it and it's bullshit now.

Fans are under no obligation to support shitty shows out of brand loyalty.

True.

 

[sojourner]

And in this case it doesn't cost anything for them to give us what we want.

LOL, Whut???

"Give us what we want, we don't care if you are trying to make money or not".

 

[Rojixus]

And in this case it doesn't cost anything for them to give us what we want.

LOL, Whut???

"Give us what we want, we don't care if you are trying to make money or not".

It sure isn't what I want.

 

[Nebusj]

You won't need cable or satellite at all to watch the premier on CBS. CBS is, and always has been, an over-the-air broadcast network, NOT a cable station. So all you need is an antenna.

So you're saying we have to pony up for antenna. Then I bet we have to cough up some hard-earned cash for a television set on top of that. Always something more --- that's where they get you!

 

[Terok Nor]

I have set my expectations as low as possible.
Considering the guy involved has given us that abomination that is NuTrek I do not hold out much hope.
No mention of whether it will be canon either

That said I had a lot of negative hope for Enterprise, at the time, but it was better than I expected, it was canon and at least made an effort, and while it was far from perfect it was in my opinion the last trek tv, as nu trek does not count.

I do hope I am proven wrong, and it will be canon, set in the usual trek universe and respectful of the previous shows, and none of this alternate rubbish.

Time will tell

I completely agree.

I love all the Trek's, all the movies....but hate the Nu-Trek/Abrahms garbage.

So, as of now, I am feeling excited yet apprehensive about this announcement. I want Prime Timeline Trek, I want morality/philosophy/ethical dilemmas and a 'point' to each episode. I do not want mindless violence, crass over-sexualisation and lens flare.

I really hope they manage to create something worthy of the name 'Star Trek' but I'm not going to build myself up for a disappointment either.

Agreed. This is what I'm looking for. I can't stand what Abrams did with Star Trek. It's idiotic and just as dumb and shallow as the last 2 TNG movies. If the new series is like that whether it's set in the JJVerse or the PrimeVerse I won't stay watching for long. Trek's formula has been beloved by fans for 50 years. No need to fix what ain't broken. Let the movies be mindless popcorn action flicks but the tv shows should be intelligent.

 

[Terok Nor]

Ugh...God!

You Trek fans sound like a bunch of old nagging women.

Support the show and quit complaining, because if you don't support it you will be the ones to blame for it being killed.

Agreed. That was what killed the Stargate franchise.

It was bullshit when Enterprise apologists were saying it and it's bullshit now.

Fans are under no obligation to support shitty shows out of brand loyalty.

Enterprise was a shitty show and deserved to be cancelled. It shouldn't take any series 4 seasons to get it right.

If this new show is good I'll watch every damn episode. If it's bad I'll drop it like a hot potato. It's not the fans responsibility to keep below par incarnations of their favourite franchise on the air.

 

[Terok Nor]

For a tv series I'd really like them to go back and build on the rich and detailed history of the prime universe instead of an alternate universe of a crew we've never seen before.

I'm happy to have a brand new crew of all new characters. I just don't see any value in that crew being from an alternate timeline. At least with the JJ Enterprise crew it's characters we already know from the Prime Universe. I fail to see any merit in following new characters from an unimportant side universe. If it's going to be a new crew then let them boldy go warping around the universe we're used to so that whatever they do means something and adds onto what's already been established.

The JJ Trek movies are popcorn flicks for mass audiences to consume every few years. Let those movies have free reign to do whatever they want without worrying about a tv show. Let the tv show build on the other shows without having to worry about those movies. Casual fans won't care which universe it's set in so I don't see any harm in it being back in the Prime. Set it a few centuries after TNG and it won't even make much of a difference.

 

[fireproof78]

I have set my expectations as low as possible.
Considering the guy involved has given us that abomination that is NuTrek I do not hold out much hope.
No mention of whether it will be canon either

That said I had a lot of negative hope for Enterprise, at the time, but it was better than I expected, it was canon and at least made an effort, and while it was far from perfect it was in my opinion the last trek tv, as nu trek does not count.

I do hope I am proven wrong, and it will be canon, set in the usual trek universe and respectful of the previous shows, and none of this alternate rubbish.

Time will tell

I completely agree.

I love all the Trek's, all the movies....but hate the Nu-Trek/Abrahms garbage.

So, as of now, I am feeling excited yet apprehensive about this announcement. I want Prime Timeline Trek, I want morality/philosophy/ethical dilemmas and a 'point' to each episode. I do not want mindless violence, crass over-sexualisation and lens flare.

I really hope they manage to create something worthy of the name 'Star Trek' but I'm not going to build myself up for a disappointment either.

Agreed. This is what I'm looking for. I can't stand what Abrams did with Star Trek. It's idiotic and just as dumb and shallow as the last 2 TNG movies. If the new series is like that whether it's set in the JJVerse or the PrimeVerse I won't stay watching for long. Trek's formula has been beloved by fans for 50 years. No need to fix what ain't broken. Let the movies be mindless popcorn action flicks but the tv shows should be intelligent.

What formula? The one that TNG difficult to watch for the first three seasons or the one that DS9 promptly threw out the window in favor of its more arc based storylines?

Star Trek has been about action and adventure from the beginning. The social commentary has come and gone, depending on the writer, and some were successful and some where less successful.

I have articulated that Star Trek, at its core, is about characters who ultimately work together to a greater good, regardless of differences. The idea was a positive future where people work together and things got better, which was a bit unique given the era of its inception.

Abrams did more of the action adventure but that was in line with a contemporary style and had plenty of commentary. I think Kurtzman has plenty of experience under his belt to tell a variety of stories. I personally prefer a reboot because it will be more accessible and feel more relevant to a contemporary audience. Current technology is leaps and bounds beyond some aspects of TOS and TNG, and that can feel dated, at least to me. Still fun, but still weird.

 

[martok2112]

Haters. Aren't they just so cute?


Yep.

 

[Terok Nor]

I completely agree.

I love all the Trek's, all the movies....but hate the Nu-Trek/Abrahms garbage.

So, as of now, I am feeling excited yet apprehensive about this announcement. I want Prime Timeline Trek, I want morality/philosophy/ethical dilemmas and a 'point' to each episode. I do not want mindless violence, crass over-sexualisation and lens flare.

I really hope they manage to create something worthy of the name 'Star Trek' but I'm not going to build myself up for a disappointment either.

Agreed. This is what I'm looking for. I can't stand what Abrams did with Star Trek. It's idiotic and just as dumb and shallow as the last 2 TNG movies. If the new series is like that whether it's set in the JJVerse or the PrimeVerse I won't stay watching for long. Trek's formula has been beloved by fans for 50 years. No need to fix what ain't broken. Let the movies be mindless popcorn action flicks but the tv shows should be intelligent.

What formula? The one that TNG difficult to watch for the first three seasons or the one that DS9 promptly threw out the window in favor of its more arc based storylines?

Star Trek has been about action and adventure from the beginning. The social commentary has come and gone, depending on the writer, and some were successful and some where less successful.

I have articulated that Star Trek, at its core, is about characters who ultimately work together to a greater good, regardless of differences. The idea was a positive future where people work together and things got better, which was a bit unique given the era of its inception.

Abrams did more of the action adventure but that was in line with a contemporary style and had plenty of commentary. I think Kurtzman has plenty of experience under his belt to tell a variety of stories. I personally prefer a reboot because it will be more accessible and feel more relevant to a contemporary audience. Current technology is leaps and bounds beyond some aspects of TOS and TNG, and that can feel dated, at least to me. Still fun, but still weird.

I've always found Trek to be a mixture of action and thought provoking ideas. Abrams has so far not sparked my mind with anything to think about apart from "this is dumb". Granted, he's only done 2 movies but that's all I've got to go on. TOS had 2 pilots that had a lot more to say for themselves as did the pilots of each of the spin offs. I'm not saying those episodes are better or worse than the Abrams movies but they were anything but dumb and did make me think. That's what makes Trk unique. That and the positive outlook it's always had even at the worst of times.

I wouldn't be against a total reboot to wipe the slate clean but I'd much rather return to the main timeline a few centuries later so it's still all part of a continuing saga even if it has little to do with anything that came before.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I completely agree.

I love all the Trek's, all the movies....but hate the Nu-Trek/Abrahms garbage.

So, as of now, I am feeling excited yet apprehensive about this announcement. I want Prime Timeline Trek, I want morality/philosophy/ethical dilemmas and a 'point' to each episode. I do not want mindless violence, crass over-sexualisation and lens flare.

I really hope they manage to create something worthy of the name 'Star Trek' but I'm not going to build myself up for a disappointment either.

Agreed. This is what I'm looking for. I can't stand what Abrams did with Star Trek. It's idiotic and just as dumb and shallow as the last 2 TNG movies. If the new series is like that whether it's set in the JJVerse or the PrimeVerse I won't stay watching for long. Trek's formula has been beloved by fans for 50 years. No need to fix what ain't broken. Let the movies be mindless popcorn action flicks but the tv shows should be intelligent.

What formula? The one that TNG difficult to watch for the first three seasons or the one that DS9 promptly threw out the window in favor of its more arc based storylines?

Star Trek has been about action and adventure from the beginning. The social commentary has come and gone, depending on the writer, and some were successful and some where less successful.

I have articulated that Star Trek, at its core, is about characters who ultimately work together to a greater good, regardless of differences. The idea was a positive future where people work together and things got better, which was a bit unique given the era of its inception.

Abrams did more of the action adventure but that was in line with a contemporary style and had plenty of commentary. I think Kurtzman has plenty of experience under his belt to tell a variety of stories. I personally prefer a reboot because it will be more accessible and feel more relevant to a contemporary audience. Current technology is leaps and bounds beyond some aspects of TOS and TNG, and that can feel dated, at least to me. Still fun, but still weird.

Quoting this never seems to become unnecessary

Jut a couple of excerpts this time.

I. Build your episode on an action-adventure[/frame- work. We must reach out, hold and entertain a mass audience of some 20.,000,000 people or we simply don't stay on the air.

IV. Then, with that firm foundation established, interweave in it any statement to be made about man, society and so on. Yes, we want you to have something to say, but say it entertainingly as you do on any other show. We don't need essays, however brilliant.

 

[fireproof78]

Haters. Aren't they just so cute?


Yep.

Reminds me of the old joke-it used to be the worst thing you could tell people was "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Now, it's "Hi, I'm from Bad Robot and I'm here to make Star Trek."

Agreed. This is what I'm looking for. I can't stand what Abrams did with Star Trek. It's idiotic and just as dumb and shallow as the last 2 TNG movies. If the new series is like that whether it's set in the JJVerse or the PrimeVerse I won't stay watching for long. Trek's formula has been beloved by fans for 50 years. No need to fix what ain't broken. Let the movies be mindless popcorn action flicks but the tv shows should be intelligent.

What formula? The one that TNG difficult to watch for the first three seasons or the one that DS9 promptly threw out the window in favor of its more arc based storylines?

Star Trek has been about action and adventure from the beginning. The social commentary has come and gone, depending on the writer, and some were successful and some where less successful.

I have articulated that Star Trek, at its core, is about characters who ultimately work together to a greater good, regardless of differences. The idea was a positive future where people work together and things got better, which was a bit unique given the era of its inception.

Abrams did more of the action adventure but that was in line with a contemporary style and had plenty of commentary. I think Kurtzman has plenty of experience under his belt to tell a variety of stories. I personally prefer a reboot because it will be more accessible and feel more relevant to a contemporary audience. Current technology is leaps and bounds beyond some aspects of TOS and TNG, and that can feel dated, at least to me. Still fun, but still weird.

I've always found Trek to be a mixture of action and thought provoking ideas. Abrams has so far not sparked my mind with anything to think about apart from "this is dumb". Granted, he's only done 2 movies but that's all I've got to go on. TOS had 2 pilots that had a lot more to say for themselves as did the pilots of each of the spin offs. I'm not saying those episodes are better or worse than the Abrams movies but they were anything but dumb and did make me think. That's what makes Trk unique. That and the positive outlook it's always had even at the worst of times.

I wouldn't be against a total reboot to wipe the slate clean but I'd much rather return to the main timeline a few centuries later so it's still all part of a continuing saga even if it has little to do with anything that came before.

This is where I will disagree, politely but firmly. Abrams had some of the most interesting social commentary that I have seen in Trek in a while. To me, it will be more apparent after a few years, as we recognize what he was commenting on and why it is important. It's subtle, but there.

Secondly, if we are going to remove it by centuries from prior work, to me, that just makes it less accessible. That's like saying I need to read the Similarion to understand the Hobbit. Not really necessary, and kind of off-putting. The tech changes would be enough that it might not mesh up with prior Trek, rending connections rather tenuous.

A reboot can have its own mythology, you know. You can world build in one episode if done correctly.

 

[martok2112]

Haters. Aren't they just so cute?


Yep.

Reminds me of the old joke-it used to be the worst thing you could tell people was "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Now, it's "Hi, I'm from Bad Robot and I'm here to make Star Trek."

indeed.


"Hi, I'm from Bad Robot, and I'm here to make Star Trek."