Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God status?
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Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
I second that. Sourced information always makes a MUCH stronger case; otherwise it's just dealing in hypotheticals without a basis.
I second that. Sourced information always makes a MUCH stronger case; otherwise it's just dealing in hypotheticals without a basis.
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
That would take a LOT of Katracel white to keep them functioning.
That weakness would be much too easy to exploit-that would be a logistical nightmare.
That would take a LOT of Katracel white to keep them functioning.
That weakness would be much too easy to exploit-that would be a logistical nightmare.
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
It just occurred to me that after their fourteenth birthdays, the Jem'hadar might simply begin to die of old age. A Jem'Hadar at twenty is referred to as a "Elder" because physiologically they are in fact "Elderly."
They don't spend their first couple of decades as adolescences, they never sleep, they're addicted to drugs their entire live, basically on their feet the entire time, likely scared to death to go see a doctor.
At fifteen the Jem'hadar are the Human equivalent of fifty-five or sixty years old.
At twenty, eighty?
Then from June 1944 through March 1945 there was the Retaking of France, approximately 250 days
In between these two time periods, while there were ongoing military operations, France was in no way a "major front." It was occupied territory.
Incidentally, fatalities and causalities are two different things.
It just occurred to me that after their fourteenth birthdays, the Jem'hadar might simply begin to die of old age. A Jem'Hadar at twenty is referred to as a "Elder" because physiologically they are in fact "Elderly."
They don't spend their first couple of decades as adolescences, they never sleep, they're addicted to drugs their entire live, basically on their feet the entire time, likely scared to death to go see a doctor.
At fifteen the Jem'hadar are the Human equivalent of fifty-five or sixty years old.
At twenty, eighty?
Sure ProtoAvatar, to which post are you referring too? In which post did you site an episode where the 60 million figure was quoted?
From May 10, 1940 through June 25, 1940 there was the Battle of France, 46 days ending in the French surrender
Then from June 1944 through March 1945 there was the Retaking of France, approximately 250 days
In between these two time periods, while there were ongoing military operations, France was in no way a "major front." It was occupied territory.
My numbers were specifically French military personnel of WWI, there were no "holocaust victims." Unless you were referring to the holocaust of war.
Incidentally, fatalities and causalities are two different things.
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
T'Girl
Your ramblings indicate you're running out of arguments, T'Girl:
For example - you desperately recourse to non-sense hypothesis like "the Jem'hadar might simply begin to die of old age" when no jem'hadar we ever saw showed signs of old age - and the 'elders' were fitter than the young ones.
Or you come with "Sure ProtoAvatar, to which post are you referring too?" when I actually repeated my relevant posts and told you to "READ MY POSTS".
Really, T'Girl?
I know you're trying to be condescending, but you only manage to be amusing.
PS - The french casualty figures for WW2 - 567600 - encompassed all french causalties, civilian, military, holocaust victims, etc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
I would look at the WW1 figures, too, if you hadn't make it so obvious that it's a waste of my time - that you'll just hold on to your absurd position until I'll get bored trying to reason with you.
T'Girl
Your ramblings indicate you're running out of arguments, T'Girl:
For example - you desperately recourse to non-sense hypothesis like "the Jem'hadar might simply begin to die of old age" when no jem'hadar we ever saw showed signs of old age - and the 'elders' were fitter than the young ones.
Or you come with "Sure ProtoAvatar, to which post are you referring too?" when I actually repeated my relevant posts and told you to "READ MY POSTS".
Really, T'Girl?
I know you're trying to be condescending, but you only manage to be amusing.PS - The french casualty figures for WW2 - 567600 - encompassed all french causalties, civilian, military, holocaust victims, etc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
I would look at the WW1 figures, too, if you hadn't make it so obvious that it's a waste of my time - that you'll just hold on to your absurd position until I'll get bored trying to reason with you.
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
In 'To the death' - aka sourced information, canon, etc - it is clearly established that few jem'hadar survive beyond 15 years.
This translates DIRECTLY to an abnormally high death rate among the jem'hadar.
You can take any size of the jem'hadar population you want - the jem'hadar mortality rate will still be abnormally high if most of these jem'hadar will die before they're 15 years old.
Run the numbers youself.
Choose a number representing the jem'hadar population, and calculate how many have to die per day in order for most to be dead in 15 years.
The invariable result - the jem'hadar die like flies.
PS- Marie1, I already explained TWICE to you this very simple mathematical argument. You may be reading my posts, but you're wearing rosy-coloured glasses in doing so.
Tell me, Nightdiamond, how many jem'hadar does it take, in your opinion, to keep suppressed the hundreds of worlds composing the dominion (each one of them, an interstellar culture numbering in the billions), make the occasional conquest, etc?
In 'To the death' - aka sourced information, canon, etc - it is clearly established that few jem'hadar survive beyond 15 years.
This translates DIRECTLY to an abnormally high death rate among the jem'hadar.
You can take any size of the jem'hadar population you want - the jem'hadar mortality rate will still be abnormally high if most of these jem'hadar will die before they're 15 years old.
Run the numbers youself.
Choose a number representing the jem'hadar population, and calculate how many have to die per day in order for most to be dead in 15 years.
The invariable result - the jem'hadar die like flies.
PS- Marie1, I already explained TWICE to you this very simple mathematical argument. You may be reading my posts, but you're wearing rosy-coloured glasses in doing so.
Tell me, Nightdiamond, how many jem'hadar does it take, in your opinion, to keep suppressed the hundreds of worlds composing the dominion (each one of them, an interstellar culture numbering in the billions), make the occasional conquest, etc?
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Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
Choosing a different number drastically skews the results. Obviously the point that the Jem'Hadar are very expendable is clear from the dialogue--the comments the Jem'Hadar themselves make, the attitude of the Vorta, and the Founders, but you are not doing a good job of substantiating your point by doing so with numbers that you are making up.
Choosing a different number drastically skews the results. Obviously the point that the Jem'Hadar are very expendable is clear from the dialogue--the comments the Jem'Hadar themselves make, the attitude of the Vorta, and the Founders, but you are not doing a good job of substantiating your point by doing so with numbers that you are making up.
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
In some cases, none.
If they step out of line, then the Jem'Hadar are sent in.
You don't know how many worlds are in the Dominion, nor their populations, so your math is at best a theory.
My glasses aren't rosy, my sunglasses are gray though, if that helps?
I'm not sure, T'Girl, but that's an interesting point. The elder in "One Little Ship" seemed just fine, but Taranatar (albeit in novel) did consider that Jem'Hadar may indeed only be designed to last til their 20-30s... but those were extenuating circumstances.
In some cases, none.
If they step out of line, then the Jem'Hadar are sent in.
You don't know how many worlds are in the Dominion, nor their populations, so your math is at best a theory.
My glasses aren't rosy, my sunglasses are gray though, if that helps?
I'm not sure, T'Girl, but that's an interesting point. The elder in "One Little Ship" seemed just fine, but Taranatar (albeit in novel) did consider that Jem'Hadar may indeed only be designed to last til their 20-30s... but those were extenuating circumstances.
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
For you to just repeat that you've already stated your position, and that by stating your position repeatedly, that in of itself make your position obvious, makes no sense. If on the other hand your position is nothing but conjecture on your part, then go ahead and say so. There's nothing wrong with that, I put forward conjecture and extrapolation occasional, but I always try to make clear that's what I'm doing.
I will often begin posts with the words, "perhaps, might, maybe, what if," or something like that. These words mean I'm basically posting my own ideas.
On the other hand, in one of my earlier posts I directly quoted dialog from the episode "To The Death."
ProtoAvatar that's call having a "reference," or a "source," or a "quote." Those words mean your not just making stuff up.
If the Founder's are agreeable to something less than an instant response, the Jem'Hadar who do respond to, say an uprising on a Dominion planet, might not even have existed at the time the uprising. The Founder directed their creation, allowed them to reach maturity, and sent them into combat with older Jem'Hadar leadership.
It hardly condescend to simply, but firmly, ask what your source of information is. Was it a episode? Was it a interview with one of the writers on the show? Was it from a commentary on a DS9 DVD perhaps?
For you to just repeat that you've already stated your position, and that by stating your position repeatedly, that in of itself make your position obvious, makes no sense. If on the other hand your position is nothing but conjecture on your part, then go ahead and say so. There's nothing wrong with that, I put forward conjecture and extrapolation occasional, but I always try to make clear that's what I'm doing.
I will often begin posts with the words, "perhaps, might, maybe, what if," or something like that. These words mean I'm basically posting my own ideas.
On the other hand, in one of my earlier posts I directly quoted dialog from the episode "To The Death."
ProtoAvatar that's call having a "reference," or a "source," or a "quote." Those words mean your not just making stuff up.
What does that have to do, even remotely, with the previous post (assuming it does)?
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Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
I certainly agree the Dominion is large, and that there are a lot of Jem Hadar there, but without direct information about the Dominion's size, we can't really know how many Jem Hadar are produced to control it.
Speculate yes, but state with certainty? no way!
The Cardassians controlled Bajor (billions?), and how many soldiers did they have? The same can be said for the Romulans and the Klingons.
If you're saying that there are somewhere close to at least 100 million Jem Hadar at any time patrolling the Dominion, I can't help but to think of the "white".
It can't be replicated, it's supposed to be rare, and the Jem Hadar need a lot of it or they go crazy, get weak and die.
I also agree in a sense the Jem Hadar were used as cannon fodder-especially when you look at some episodes.
But on the other hand, if the Founders used the Jems exclusively as cannon fodder that would have been really, really, really, really self destructive.
Soldiers that are defending you, or advancing your cause can't be utterly expendable.
I mean that's like shooting bullets all around and about instead of aiming towards the enemy target, though I get your point about them..
I certainly agree the Dominion is large, and that there are a lot of Jem Hadar there, but without direct information about the Dominion's size, we can't really know how many Jem Hadar are produced to control it.
Speculate yes, but state with certainty? no way!
The Cardassians controlled Bajor (billions?), and how many soldiers did they have? The same can be said for the Romulans and the Klingons.
If you're saying that there are somewhere close to at least 100 million Jem Hadar at any time patrolling the Dominion, I can't help but to think of the "white".
It can't be replicated, it's supposed to be rare, and the Jem Hadar need a lot of it or they go crazy, get weak and die.
I also agree in a sense the Jem Hadar were used as cannon fodder-especially when you look at some episodes.
But on the other hand, if the Founders used the Jems exclusively as cannon fodder that would have been really, really, really, really self destructive.
Soldiers that are defending you, or advancing your cause can't be utterly expendable.
I mean that's like shooting bullets all around and about instead of aiming towards the enemy target, though I get your point about them..
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
Not really, Nerys Ghemor.
You see, we're talking percentages. No matter how many jem'hadar you postulate, the mortality rate among them is abnormally high, if few survive to be 15 - far higher (by an order of magnitude, at least) than the mortality rate from any war in human history.
Which is why even frequent suicide missions are not enough to account for so many deaths.
Mass euthanasia could just do it.
PS - The only number needed to substantiate my posts is that few jem'hadar survive to be 15 - which is thoroughly established in cannon.
You can change all other numbers as you wish - they have no relevance.
Not really, Nerys Ghemor.
You see, we're talking percentages. No matter how many jem'hadar you postulate, the mortality rate among them is abnormally high, if few survive to be 15 - far higher (by an order of magnitude, at least) than the mortality rate from any war in human history.
Which is why even frequent suicide missions are not enough to account for so many deaths.
Mass euthanasia could just do it.
PS - The only number needed to substantiate my posts is that few jem'hadar survive to be 15 - which is thoroughly established in cannon.
You can change all other numbers as you wish - they have no relevance.
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I think this is a good explanation. It isn't unreasonable to expect that some trade-offs had to be made when designing the Jem'Hadar, one of them being their short lifespan. It's also possible that their lifestyle and the use of White dramtically shorten their lives, except in the most fit individuals. Doesn't mean the Elders have to be weak and feeble like human elders. It's possible they have a short super-fast aging period before they die, just like they mature super-fast after coming to life.
I think this is a good explanation. It isn't unreasonable to expect that some trade-offs had to be made when designing the Jem'Hadar, one of them being their short lifespan. It's also possible that their lifestyle and the use of White dramtically shorten their lives, except in the most fit individuals. Doesn't mean the Elders have to be weak and feeble like human elders. It's possible they have a short super-fast aging period before they die, just like they mature super-fast after coming to life.
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Are the components of White rare? Cuz I remember an episode where the Dominion wanted a planet or something that had a fungi that could be used to make a key part of the White, and just what was on that planet was apparently enough to make White for years or something...
That's a good point though. Jem'hadar mortality may be high, but the Dominion has to make sure they're around... or else!
@T'Girl- I hadn't thought of that- but that's a great point!! If a rioting planet is a few days away at warp, they could just stuff the cargo hold with those incubators etc. and have full grown Jem'hadar by the time they got there! Maybe that's what was up with the baby in "The Abandoned"!
Are the components of White rare? Cuz I remember an episode where the Dominion wanted a planet or something that had a fungi that could be used to make a key part of the White, and just what was on that planet was apparently enough to make White for years or something...
That's a good point though. Jem'hadar mortality may be high, but the Dominion has to make sure they're around... or else!
@T'Girl- I hadn't thought of that- but that's a great point!! If a rioting planet is a few days away at warp, they could just stuff the cargo hold with those incubators etc. and have full grown Jem'hadar by the time they got there! Maybe that's what was up with the baby in "The Abandoned"!
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
Except that this explanation has no on-screen support whatsoever.
Indeed, many facts contradict it.
The jem'hadar elders - which are around 20 years old (NOT 15) - are shown to be far fitter than their younger counterparts, both mentally and physically.
There is absolutely no indication that they are expecting to die of natural causes any time soon.
Aging doesn't work like that - it involvs degradation over time.
The only way one can rationalise the jem'hadar as dying of old age at 15 is through some convoluted technobabble explanation (which, as I said, has no support on-screen)
Except that this explanation has no on-screen support whatsoever.
Indeed, many facts contradict it.
The jem'hadar elders - which are around 20 years old (NOT 15) - are shown to be far fitter than their younger counterparts, both mentally and physically.
There is absolutely no indication that they are expecting to die of natural causes any time soon.
Aging doesn't work like that - it involvs degradation over time.
The only way one can rationalise the jem'hadar as dying of old age at 15 is through some convoluted technobabble explanation (which, as I said, has no support on-screen)
ProtoAvatar
Fleet Captain
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
That's just it - the jem'hadar ARE utterly expendable - simply because they're utterly replaceable.
If you kill 1000 jem'hadar today (because you just feel like it) and start growing 1000 jem'hadar, in just 3 days (a ridiculoualy short time) you replaced all your losses.
Given this stuation, you can afford to send jem'hadar in callous suicide missions or just kill them in order to replace them with new genetic 'models'.
If your bullets replace themselves as fast as you can shoot them, it really makes no difference.
That's just it - the jem'hadar ARE utterly expendable - simply because they're utterly replaceable.
If you kill 1000 jem'hadar today (because you just feel like it) and start growing 1000 jem'hadar, in just 3 days (a ridiculoualy short time) you replaced all your losses.
Given this stuation, you can afford to send jem'hadar in callous suicide missions or just kill them in order to replace them with new genetic 'models'.
If your bullets replace themselves as fast as you can shoot them, it really makes no difference.
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I wonder what actual in the white? We know there is an addictive drug that the Jem'Hadar suffer without the constant replenishment of. It seems unlikely that the drug gets them high, the Founders would want them clear headed at all times. But maybe not, beyond simple control, obey or we'll cut you off, the white might have effects upon the Jem'Hadar that the Founders find to their benefit. In East Africa, militias and private securities chew a leaf called "Khat." Khat when chewed has the general effect of simulation, increased awareness and mild euphoria (which the Founder wouldn't want), Higher doses result in hyperactivity, aggression and, sometimes, manic behavior. So administering the white might increase the Jem'Hadar's natural abilities. Another attribute of the white that could be simular to the Khat leaf is the leaf begin to lose it potency as soon as it harvested from the Khat bush, it can't be stored for any length of time. Perhaps one of the down side of white drug manufacturing is the it to can not be stored or preserved. It has to be "fresh."
White might be more the just a drug too, the Jem'Hadar don't eat, at least not food. Much of what we eat, our bodies turn into glucose (liquid sugar) which is then introduced into our blood, that how the food in your tummy get out to the cells at the ends of your fingers. The majority of white might simply be a concentrated glucose solution, with the drug being a minor component mixed in. This would account for the color too, glucose solution is milky white.
I wonder what actual in the white? We know there is an addictive drug that the Jem'Hadar suffer without the constant replenishment of. It seems unlikely that the drug gets them high, the Founders would want them clear headed at all times. But maybe not, beyond simple control, obey or we'll cut you off, the white might have effects upon the Jem'Hadar that the Founders find to their benefit. In East Africa, militias and private securities chew a leaf called "Khat." Khat when chewed has the general effect of simulation, increased awareness and mild euphoria (which the Founder wouldn't want), Higher doses result in hyperactivity, aggression and, sometimes, manic behavior. So administering the white might increase the Jem'Hadar's natural abilities. Another attribute of the white that could be simular to the Khat leaf is the leaf begin to lose it potency as soon as it harvested from the Khat bush, it can't be stored for any length of time. Perhaps one of the down side of white drug manufacturing is the it to can not be stored or preserved. It has to be "fresh."
White might be more the just a drug too, the Jem'Hadar don't eat, at least not food. Much of what we eat, our bodies turn into glucose (liquid sugar) which is then introduced into our blood, that how the food in your tummy get out to the cells at the ends of your fingers. The majority of white might simply be a concentrated glucose solution, with the drug being a minor component mixed in. This would account for the color too, glucose solution is milky white.
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^ Not sure, I'd suspect that in addition to keeping them in line, it seems have some psychological effects, really or imagined. They hold those who must eat and sleep in contempt. It's been speculated that it releases them of things like compassion and remorse. And it probably acts like a steroid or something, allowing them to fight a long time, they don't seem to worry as much as you'd expect about horrible wounds etc.
Far Fitter? I'm not sure about that... I'd think they'd reach a peak at about 4 and then it would be a matter of knowledge and experience needs to be accumulated by time.
What was interesting to me was that another (albeit Alpha) First took over from the elder Gamma, and was expected to defer to the former's instructions. Thought that could've been Alpha arrogance.
^ Not sure, I'd suspect that in addition to keeping them in line, it seems have some psychological effects, really or imagined. They hold those who must eat and sleep in contempt. It's been speculated that it releases them of things like compassion and remorse. And it probably acts like a steroid or something, allowing them to fight a long time, they don't seem to worry as much as you'd expect about horrible wounds etc.
Far Fitter? I'm not sure about that... I'd think they'd reach a peak at about 4 and then it would be a matter of knowledge and experience needs to be accumulated by time.
What was interesting to me was that another (albeit Alpha) First took over from the elder Gamma, and was expected to defer to the former's instructions. Thought that could've been Alpha arrogance.
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If a US Marine is on a battleield with 200 rounds of ammunition and fires off all 200 rounds, how much ammunition does that US Marine then have?
Answer zero.
It doesn't do that US Marine any good if there are hundreds of thousands of bullets back in a factory somewhere. Similarly, if the Founders have a thousand Jem'Hadar on a planet engaged in warfare and all the Jem'Hadar on that planet are killed, how many Jem'hadar do the Founders then have on that entire planet?
Answer zero.
Yes, yes, yes, the Founder can produce more Jem'Hadar at a production facility somewhere, but unless that facility is located on the planet where the Jem'Hadar are engaged in combat, the new Jem'Hadar are not immediately of any use. They have to be moved to the battlefield, that assumes that the Founders can even still reach the planet in question with ships. In the mean time, the opponents of the Dominion are consolidating their position. Any ground those original Jem'Hadar had taken is automatically lost, because there are no longer any Dominion forces on that world to control captured territory.
When (and if) the Founders get more Jem'Hadar boots on the ground, the first thing they'll be forced to do, is to completely reproduce the results of the original Jem'Hadar. If it took the first group a week or a month, it likely is will take the second group (if the same size force) a similar length of time.
This is why, even if you don't care about your soldiers as people, you still "husband" them as assets.
If a US Marine is on a battleield with 200 rounds of ammunition and fires off all 200 rounds, how much ammunition does that US Marine then have?
Answer zero.
It doesn't do that US Marine any good if there are hundreds of thousands of bullets back in a factory somewhere. Similarly, if the Founders have a thousand Jem'Hadar on a planet engaged in warfare and all the Jem'Hadar on that planet are killed, how many Jem'hadar do the Founders then have on that entire planet?
Answer zero.
Yes, yes, yes, the Founder can produce more Jem'Hadar at a production facility somewhere, but unless that facility is located on the planet where the Jem'Hadar are engaged in combat, the new Jem'Hadar are not immediately of any use. They have to be moved to the battlefield, that assumes that the Founders can even still reach the planet in question with ships. In the mean time, the opponents of the Dominion are consolidating their position. Any ground those original Jem'Hadar had taken is automatically lost, because there are no longer any Dominion forces on that world to control captured territory.
When (and if) the Founders get more Jem'Hadar boots on the ground, the first thing they'll be forced to do, is to completely reproduce the results of the original Jem'Hadar. If it took the first group a week or a month, it likely is will take the second group (if the same size force) a similar length of time.
This is why, even if you don't care about your soldiers as people, you still "husband" them as assets.
Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
If you have no idea what the normal life expectancy would be, and you have no idea what the base population is, AND you have no idea what the casualty rate per engagement on average is, NOR do you know how many battles the Dominion gets into on a regular basis and what level of force is required in each of these battles, then frankly, you are making numbers up to suit your a priori assumption and you can't expect anybody to take that seriously.
If you want to suppose that the casualty rate is ridiculous, as I mentioned--you can at least offer evidence for that in the form of dialogue. There ARE lines that would indicate a callous disregard on the Dominion's part for the lives of their Jem'Hadar soldiers. You would NOT be able to conjecture numbers from those lines, but you could at least lend evidence to your point.
But pulling numbers out of unmentionable areas does NOT constitute evidence. Period.
If you have no idea what the normal life expectancy would be, and you have no idea what the base population is, AND you have no idea what the casualty rate per engagement on average is, NOR do you know how many battles the Dominion gets into on a regular basis and what level of force is required in each of these battles, then frankly, you are making numbers up to suit your a priori assumption and you can't expect anybody to take that seriously.
If you want to suppose that the casualty rate is ridiculous, as I mentioned--you can at least offer evidence for that in the form of dialogue. There ARE lines that would indicate a callous disregard on the Dominion's part for the lives of their Jem'Hadar soldiers. You would NOT be able to conjecture numbers from those lines, but you could at least lend evidence to your point.
But pulling numbers out of unmentionable areas does NOT constitute evidence. Period.
ProtoAvatar
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Re: Would The Federation force the Founders to give up their God statu
"what the normal life expectancy would be, and you have no idea what the base population is, AND you have no idea what the casualty rate per engagement on average is, NOR do you know how many battles the Dominion gets into on a regular basis and what level of force is required in each of these battles"
The life expectancy of jem'hadar is around 20 (at the very least);
The base population's number is irrelevent (you can take whichever number you want) - THE CASUALTY RATE IS A PERCENTAGE, NerysGhemor;
The casualty rate of the jem'hadar per year is thoroughly established by "few jem'hadar survive to be 15" - mentioned in "To the death" (is this your definnition of "unmentionable areas", NerysGhemor?
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The number of battles the Dominion gets into is irelevant - you can change it as you will, without afffecting the results;
Seeing the Vorta/founders treating jem'hadar callously is not needed/required to reach a simple mathematial deduction (or is this what you mean by "unmentionable areas"?
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NerysGhemor, to reiterate:
The only thhings I need to prove that the jem'hadar casualty rate is abnormally high is the canon fact that few jem'hadar live to be above 15 and simple mathematics.
PS - What you call 'a priori assumption' is a ferm deduction based on ONLY these elements.
Before coming with "can't expect anybody to take that seriously" take a piece of paper, start with the FACT that few jem'hadar live to be 15, calculate their casualty rate per year, then compare it to the casualty rate of any war in human history (all of which you can do easily and without asuming anything else).
"what the normal life expectancy would be, and you have no idea what the base population is, AND you have no idea what the casualty rate per engagement on average is, NOR do you know how many battles the Dominion gets into on a regular basis and what level of force is required in each of these battles"
The life expectancy of jem'hadar is around 20 (at the very least);
The base population's number is irrelevent (you can take whichever number you want) - THE CASUALTY RATE IS A PERCENTAGE, NerysGhemor;
The casualty rate of the jem'hadar per year is thoroughly established by "few jem'hadar survive to be 15" - mentioned in "To the death" (is this your definnition of "unmentionable areas", NerysGhemor?
);The number of battles the Dominion gets into is irelevant - you can change it as you will, without afffecting the results;
Seeing the Vorta/founders treating jem'hadar callously is not needed/required to reach a simple mathematial deduction (or is this what you mean by "unmentionable areas"?
)NerysGhemor, to reiterate:
The only thhings I need to prove that the jem'hadar casualty rate is abnormally high is the canon fact that few jem'hadar live to be above 15 and simple mathematics.
PS - What you call 'a priori assumption' is a ferm deduction based on ONLY these elements.
Before coming with "can't expect anybody to take that seriously" take a piece of paper, start with the FACT that few jem'hadar live to be 15, calculate their casualty rate per year, then compare it to the casualty rate of any war in human history (all of which you can do easily and without asuming anything else).
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