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Would like to see Enterprise come back…
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Well, it definitely exists.
Not the way their sports teams play...they know what they did...
Actually, there is something to figure out. As its clear that newer viewers now realize the show wasn’t so bad, but the tv ratings of S3 & S4 don’t support a revival. Even though creatively, ENT has a bunch on undeveloped stories that should see the light of day. Obviously, the undeveloped story involving Leonard Nimoy won’t happen now, but no reason there cannot be an ENT movie in tribute to him.
It leaves a couple of questions lingering.
Why those at CBS now don’t have the confidence that they would manage ENT much better than those during the UPN era?
Why are the ratings ENT earned during the 2003-05 period being held against them still? Imagine if the box office earnings for INS & NEM were used as a reason to not do PIC or the Kelvin movies.
Does CBS know what to do with ENT now? Or is not knowing what to do is the reason they are holding back? Since I look at all the undeveloped stories that were possible for ENT, and that’s a full season during ENT’s original run. Under the current format, that 2-3 seasons worth of stories. The show could still get its seven seasons.
I'm not sure I'd agree on your interpretation of the data.
Seasons 3 and 4 is where the ratings mostly levelled out. There was still a decline in viewers over time but that's not all that unusual.
Here's DS9's chart, looking fairly similar (though clearly starting in a better place). TNG was a genuine hit and actually picked up viewers over time, but none of the Berman-era spin-offs were able to replicate that unusual level of success. I wouldn't say I'm looking at failures here though.
Well, that chart doesn’t show VOY’s ratings and how the first couple of seasons of ENT were consistent with the ratings VOY was getting over the course of its seven-season run. Its matters since both shows aired on the same station in UPN.
Yes, the DS9 ratings will be down from TNG. Its difficult to appeal to jaded viewers that did not like how the sequel series (DS9, VOY, ENT, and now decades later with DIS & PIC) were darker than TNG, and are post-Roddenberry fare.
I would say the numbers and trends suggest that special guest appearances or recurring roles should be possible if a revival is not on the table.
It has nothing to do with confidence. It has to do with apathy. I don't believe CBS cares that much about ENT to bother making a new show that picks up where it left off. Plus. as I said before, any new show about continuing ENT will look and feel nothing like ENT did back in the early 2000's. I didn't ask for a new show about Picard's life 20 years after Nemesis, but we got one, and I think it's mediocre at best. I would expect a 20-year sequel to ENT to be just more of the same mediocrity.
The box office earnings for INS and NEM effectively killed Berman-era Trek. Yes, the Abrams films showed CBS that Trek was still a viable property and could still work on TV, but there's no way they're going back to Berman Trek. Which seems to be what people want when they say they want ENT back.
Yes, they know what to do with ENT. They are choosing to ignore it at the moment in favor of producing shows that take place either during the TOS period, the post-TNG period, or the 32nd century.
Well, if so, then I imagine we would see it soon give the huge variety of Trek out there on the market.
Indeed. It is a desire to return to the familiar, simple beats of old house long moved away from.
There's as much of a gap between Enterprise season 4 and now as there was between TOS season 3 and Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Obviously it's time to get the cast back together and skip straight to making the most publicly adored Enterprise film. Before it's too late and we get to Star Trek V instead.
If INS and NEM killed the Berman era, I'm not sure why ENT has gotten all the blame for all these years.
Continuing on, even I don’t think that a return to the Berman era is realistic. But that does not mean that ENT would not be able to adapt to the current day direction of the franchise.
Production: this change is to be expected. Even back during ENT’s original run, it’s first season had much better production values than TNG S1. And just like there was 17 years between TNGS1 and ENT S4, its been 17 years between ENT S4 and DIS S4/PIC S2/SNW S1. Production being very different is an obvious duh.
LGBTQ+ representation: this is to be expected too. The lack of LGBTQ+ characters due to Berman not wanting LGBT characters has been debated ad nauseum. ENT was even termed by one reddit user as “aggressively heterosexual”. I’d imagine that any future ENT project would feature an LGBTQ+ character. While Reed is often looked to as that character, I’d say Kelby from S4 would make for a good retcon; the introduction of the Orion pheromones doesn’t really disqualify Kelby (or most of the crew, tbh) from being retconned to being gay and having a husband. And LGBTQ+ representation on the show will sure make a follow up to “Cogenitor” more interesting.
TOS must be present in some form: it’s never really been an issue for the show – even though it can be argued that the show was really a TNG prequel – as the TOS refences have been there. This isn’t even an S4 thing. The appearance of the Tholians and the appearance of the Romulans were among the highest rated episodes of S2. “Marauders” was a throwback to Klingon episodes of TOS and it had high ratings too. Even a bad episode in “Precious Cargo” was a throwback to TOS with the romance between the alien princes and Trip and had high ratings as well. Even “Judgment” - ENT’s take on TUC in S2 – drew more viewers than anything aired in S4 except “Terra Prime”/TATV. The was also the Axanar and the Malurians that had only been mentioned in TOS, but were shown in ENT for the first time in its first season and those ratings were very good. TOS stories do draw viewers. Those stories weren’t drawing viewers by S4 as by that point the network had given up on the show and dropped them on Fridays in the run up to cancellation, even though that too is a callback to TOS.
18+ content: ENT was already swearing, offered sexuality and had gruesome violent deaths during its original run. I don’t think anyone will care if they ramp it up some more so that they can drop some F bombs, be even more gratuitous with sex and decapitate some characters. ENT even dropped an F bomb in its very first episode. Hoshi just happened to say it in Vulcan instead of English
.The Big Four: each show has its big four (DIS=Burnham, Saru, Stamets, Tilly; PIC = Picard, Jurati, Raffi, Rios (S1)/Seven (S2); SNW = Pike, Una, Spock, La’an; LD = Mariner, Boimler, Rutherford, Tendi). I don’t think there are going to be much complaints if the big three expands to the Big Four; its was arguably trending in that direction with plans to add Shran to the main cast in S5.
Serialization: again, not an issue. If anything, being limited to 10 episodes would cut out the filler episodes that made up a good portion of the Xindi arc. Or most of S1 & S2, which had its arcs in the journey to Risa, the autonomous repair station, the Vulcan-Andorian conflict, the TCW, and the Klingon’s pursuit of Archer.
Live action or animation: I’m not bothered if they do CGI like the live action shows for any fly by shots or battle scenes, but then the crew and interior of the ships are animated like in PRO. ENT was already a mix of live action and CGI in its orignal run. This seems like the logical course of progression, no pun intended.
The show will be mediocre: will it? A good stretch of DIS S4 has been praised. SNW’s first season has been praised. If left to Terry Matalas – who wrote the first two episode of PIC S2, which have been praised as the best episodes of the season – it will turn out much better than mediocre. And in any case, TPTB saying they don’t want another ENT if they announced an ENT revival would play a lot different that saying they don’t want another TNG with PIC.
And even if TPTB have no plans to bring back Trinneer as Trip, there’s no reason he can’t be brought back as Charles Tucker I or Charles Tucker II. Or they bring back Bakula as Archer’s great grandfather during the Eugenics Wars. Or the other cast members to play as their ancestors.
The main issue I see is CBS not wanted to buy the unused and undeveloped ENT scripts of those that worked in the Berman era, even though personally I’d just buy those scripts and be done with it and figure out how to make them work in an ENT revival with 2020s production.
It was all franchise fatigue. Between two lackluster films and a lackluster show, Berman Trek was doomed to fail. They had simply run out of ideas for the prime universe.
I've never expected a live action renewal of Enterprise, just to much time has passed. If it was 2010-12 or so, sure. but 17 years? nope.
As a person who thinks the best Star Wars (Clone wars, Rebels) and even the present Star Trek, ( LD, Prodigy) is the animation series, I have Zero problem with an Enterprise series continuation be an animation. CGI or regular.
Prodigy has done some great stuff, and I belive that animation style would be awesome for Enterprise. Plus, you have the freedom of animation.
People just need to get beyond there thinking that animation = Kiddy fare cartoons. Any of you that watch anime know.. yes it Can be kiddy fare, but it can also be very NOT kiddy fare.
As a person who thinks the best Star Wars (Clone wars, Rebels) and even the present Star Trek, ( LD, Prodigy) is the animation series, I have Zero problem with an Enterprise series continuation be an animation. CGI or regular.
Prodigy has done some great stuff, and I belive that animation style would be awesome for Enterprise. Plus, you have the freedom of animation.
People just need to get beyond there thinking that animation = Kiddy fare cartoons. Any of you that watch anime know.. yes it Can be kiddy fare, but it can also be very NOT kiddy fare.
I want the cast to get another swing maybe, but not Berman style. I’d like them to get a serialised show, written to modern sensibilities.
If it was to be done, and I add I resolutely believe it will not* be done, but if it was to be done in theory then I’d prefer something a lot braver than any season of Enterprise.
I like the idea of a sort of redemption series for a show that’s underegarded and in some cases maligned. But I also understand that the likelihood of it ever coming to pass is staggeringly unlikely.
*not as in never ever.
Timing, as with many things, is essential. ENT had the unfortunate status of being the the last one out to turn out the lights. The trend was already going on though.
There's also no proof that an animated show about ENT would be unpopular.
Futurama in its last couple of seasons did 1M-2.92M in viewership.
Rick & Morty has done between 0.8M-2.86M in viewership over its run
Everyone knows of those shows. Both animated science fiction fare in the mainstream. And the ratings displayed aren’t far off from what Enterprise was getting in its fourth season.
I don’t think an animated version of Enterprise could do any worse.
Yes. There’s also Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars was received 3.99 & 4.92M viewership for the series premiere, averaged between 1.3M and 2.8M for S1-S5, and then when it went on streaming it got around 5.1M-5.2M on Netflix. And then for its seventh and final season, rose from 6M to 7.24M viewership on Disney+. In other words, this show gained more viewers by being on streaming than being broadcast on tv.
Regardless as to which numbers are used, the evidence suggests that there is an audience for animated Enterprise.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars was received 3.99 & 4.92M viewership for the series premiere, averaged between 1.3M and 2.8M for S1-S5, and then when it went on streaming it got around 5.1M-5.2M on Netflix. And then for its seventh and final season, rose from 6M to 7.24M viewership on Disney+. In other words, this show gained more viewers by being on streaming than being broadcast on tv.
Regardless as to which numbers are used, the evidence suggests that there is an audience for animated Enterprise.
An audience for animation. Not automatically for Enterprise.
You're talking about Star Wars though, which is in a whole different and much more popular ballpark in the first place.
The other two examples you mention are animated comedy which I guess attracts the same kinds of audiences as South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy etc... Those audiences don't translate to an Enterprise show necessarily.
Enterprise is a niche within Star Trek. Creating an animated show would be akin to creating a niche within a niche and isn't convincing to me as a recipe for success.
I guess the figures for Prodigy would be helpful, but even then that show is aimed at a different audience to those who might want to see Enterprise come back.
Well, Honestly no one has Tried a serious Star Trek Cartoon.
Tas, LD, and prodigy have mainly been kid oriented. Not saying Clone Wars or Rebels aren't kid oriented, but they were made to be open to all ages, and even then had serious content, hell Rebels was on Disney XD channel.
So something similar to TAS, a continuing voyages show. and animation would be the cheapest route to go for a show that might have limited appeal, but until its put out there, who can tell how popular it will be.
Tas, LD, and prodigy have mainly been kid oriented. Not saying Clone Wars or Rebels aren't kid oriented, but they were made to be open to all ages, and even then had serious content, hell Rebels was on Disney XD channel.
So something similar to TAS, a continuing voyages show. and animation would be the cheapest route to go for a show that might have limited appeal, but until its put out there, who can tell how popular it will be.
CBS don't go cheap on their Treks though.
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