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Which TNG film is the worst?


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Nemesis, hotly followed by Generations. Insurrection was a decent televisions two-parter and First Contact is far and away the best, even though it's really an excellent horror movie to me, not a Star Trek film at all.

Nemesis - let's start with Shinzon looking nothing like Patrick Stewart.....

Generations - Kirk falls on the bridge and dies.....ugh....
 
My vote for the worst one would go to Insurrection. While it played with something vaguely interesting -- The Fountain of Youth -- it really didn't do much with it. It was the least ambitious of the TNG movies. Despite Generations and Nemesis' faults they were actually trying to do something.

I'm a big fan of Generations. About the only thing I felt was out of place was the death of the two Klingon Sisters who had been screwing with Picard and company during the run of the series. I wasn't offended by Kirk's death because he's lucky to get a vaguely heroic death at all; most people in the world die on a hospital bed somewhere barely concious. I really liked the concept of the Nexus -- it was something that actually had a feeling of awe and wonder in it.

I don't think Nemesis is quite as bad as most people make it out to be. I love the scene where Picard discovers that the self-destruct sequence is offline. Their ship is so beat up it can't even explode on command! Also, destroying the viewscreen had a pretty chilling affect. I've heard complaints about Star Trek before being too much about people in comfy chairs looking at a veiwscreen. Well, those chairs get a lot less comfy when you're staring at your adversary's ship from a gaping hole in your bridge.
 
To be honest, INS isn't as nearly as offensive, its just TV material...

I found the values expressed in INS--or, to be more exact, the way those values were conveyed--to be the closest-to-offensive thing the TNG films have done. All the characters in that film were self-righteous jerks who were only out to serve their own narrow-self interests, cloaking them (on both sides) as some kind of moral stance. Bah.

However, no other TNG film had quite the "screw-you" presentation that NEM had, so there went my vote.
 
Oh, shoot. Now I'm going to have to watch Insurrection again and pay attention to the mortality of Picard and company's moral/ethical decisions. >_<
 
NEMESIS by far. Juvinile, derivative, boring. Lame villain.

Next would probably be INS, due to it's lack of...anything. There's a good theme in there, but the movie is so...forced joval, it ends up dragging.

Next I guess is GEN, though I don't really dislike GEN.

FC is the most enjoyable for me, I suppose.
 
INSURRECTION could easily have been a two-part DS9 episode, considering that both Worf and Quark appear in it(Quark's cameo with two of his dabo girls at the end was cut from the final print). It never had an epic "movie" feel. Just that of a super-expensive two-part episode.
 
INSURRECTION could easily have been a two-part DS9 episode, considering that both Worf and Quark appear in it(Quark's cameo with two of his dabo girls at the end was cut from the final print). It never had an epic "movie" feel. Just that of a super-expensive two-part episode.
Its actually quite funny that seasons 5-7 felt more epic than INS or NEM... Curious.
 
Generations, because it's boring. It's supossed to be TNG film, but in the big part of movie we see only Picard and Kirk. And their meeting should be great, but it turned out as boring and nothing special. And the whole Nexus thing is so stupid...
Nemesis is second worse because it's depressive.
I liked First Contact very much, and Insurrection too, because it's funny, but it's also has some anction, and what's more important, Insurrection has a message, it's about something, and that is the spirit of Star Trek for me.
 
Easily Nemesis. Oddly, each film seemed to be of less excellence than the one prior. Somehow, this escaped me until well after the series concluded. For some reason, I'd though First Contact better than Generations (admittedly, I've seen only the television edit of Generations in the last ten years, which version improves it significantly.
 
Generations for me. Yes, it was amazing to see the ENT-D on the big screen... but the film was still the franchise's biggest wasted opportunity. It's not all that epic. In between Kirk's 1st death and the saucer crash, it basically treads water. I think STXI has the potential to be a better marriage story between the 24th/23rd Centuries.
 
generations gets my vote it sure bored the pants off me, and when when the enterprise got blasted by a scout ship i almost lost my lunch. it was just as bad as nemesis the only thing that made nemesis slightly better was the valdore ship that was kinda cool (abuot the only thing that was in the film)
 
InSUCKrection. Hands down. BLARGH. Rather watch Nemesis or Generations. First Contact of course being the all-time best.
 
Generations is the worst. I like the other 3 movies as much as most of the other Star Trek movies.
 
This is kind of a tough decision. If it was for original cast ST films, it's easy: the worst film is clearly TFF.

TNG however, has three candidates: GEN, INS, and NEM.

Like a few people here (as well as Brent Spiner) and I know I'm in the minority, I didn't think NEM was that bad. I thought it was ok. Yes, it had some major problems, mainly an effiminate, bald, dress-wearing, whiny, frustrated virgin who was supposed to be a younger, evil version of Captain Picard. Shinzon just didn't work for me at all. They wanted him to be on par with Khan and I think they failed miserably. B-4 was pretty annoying too. The movie was awfully slow in the beginning too, and I thought the dune buggy sequence was laughable. On the other hand, the part where Data and Picard escape from Shinzon's ship and the final space battle were great and Data's death was pretty well done. Also, unlike GEN and INS, I felt like they did try to make NEM look and feel like a real epic motion picture, not just a movie for the fanbase.

I really don't think NEM deserved it's horrible rating of 38% on rottentomatoes and it's abysmmal box office. It definitely wasn't one of the great/good ST films (TWOK, TSFS, TVH, TUC, and FC) but it wasn't that bad. Rick Berman, who still can't figure out why NEM failed, had one thing right: all the fans didn't automatically show up for the first weekend (or the subsequent weekend) to see NEM. He blamed that on franchise fatigue, i.e. too much ST. I think it goes beyond that. I think there was too much bad ST or just too much of the same thing with VOY and ENT, which looked to me like TNG v2 and v3. I also think that INS, whose box office was significantly lower than FC, GEN, and TUC, hurt NEM. The fans stayed home the first weekend NEM was out and, when the movie didn't get good reviews or good word of mouth, they waited for the DVD.

GEN suffered from a very bad script (Ron Moore has admitted that), a TV director and a TV score. It has some things going for it: the death of the Ent-D, while lacking the poignance and impact of the death of the original Enterprise, was spectacular. On the other hand, it was destroyed in an incredibly contrived way. And, while the movie starts of great with Kirk's first death and ends with some wonderful scenes of him teaming up with Picard, it's marred by a very muddled and screwed up death for him.
GEN isn't a good movie, but I give it points because it had some big things happen in it and, in that sense it tried. It's sad though, because it really was a missed opportunity. The concept of Picard meeting Kirk and giving Kirk an end, was a great one. The screenplay just didn't do it well at all.

But, despite these flaws in NEM and GEN, I think INS is the worst. The poster who pointed out the dubious morality of the film, something Brent Spiner criticized as well (he said the Ba'ku weren't worth saving because they wanted to keep their fountain of youth to themselves) was right imo. I also thought the villain, Ru'afo was pathetic, a whiny plastic surgery victim. The humor was stupid too. I hated seeing Picard singing with Data. Data can sing, yes, but not Picard. Worf's zit and Data's boob jokes were just stupid. Why is Picard always the one on the surface with the gun in the movies, leaving Riker in command of the Enterprise (especially when it got destroyed in GEN?). Yeah, I know it's because Picard and Data are the stars of the movie (according to Rick Berman), but they never gave a logical reason in GEN or INS for sticking Picard on the surface and leaving his ship. Picard is not Kirk, that was the whole point of making him different in TNG. INS was boring too. Frakes, the director even said that. He didn't like the script at all. But, to sum it all up, I thought the biggest problem with INS is the same as the one for TFF (in addition to other big problems in TFF too): both movies felt like TV episodes. IMO a ST film should have scope. It should, at the very least, feel bigger and take more risks than the TV episodes. When I saw both TFF and INS, I felt like I'd seen better ST episodes on television (Best of Both World in the cast of TFF at that time and many other TNG two-parters were far far superior to INS). That may be the biggest reason for me voting for INS as the worst TNG film. I really do think it's worse than NEM and it, along with VOY and ENT, is what led to NEM bombing at the box office instead of just doing poorly, like TFF did.
 
Nemesis is easily the worst IMHO which is quite an achievement coming off the heels of the atrocious Insurrection, I think. I watched it once, found no redeeming qualities at all (honestly), tried re-watching (it's Trek, after all) but simply could not sit through it.
 
To paraphrase Yahtzee:

Nemeshit may be bad, but unlike First Cuntact, I can sit through it without pausing to fiddle with the remote.

And eat some shit.
 
Nemesis is easily the worst IMHO which is quite an achievement coming off the heels of the atrocious Insurrection, I think. I watched it once, found no redeeming qualities at all (honestly), tried re-watching (it's Trek, after all) but simply could not sit through it.
The funny thing is that, over the years, I must have seen ST 2-9 anywhere between 60-120 times.

TMP, probably over 10 times.

But, as for NEM, a combined total of only 4 times. Once in the theaters, and on 3 subsequent occassions I fell asleep watching it on DVD. Each and everytime. It really is a snoozefest... :borg:

I even snuck into the next theater after watching NEM to catch Die Another Day, and when I found that Bond outing to be superior to that of NEM, that really says something.

4 years to improve upon Insurrection, and we endedup with that? :wtf:
 
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