And the ship design is horribly anachronistic as well.
Sulu as Captain
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Well, the article did say “an exploratory five-year mission TO the (…) cloud.” So I’m imagining them at launch, all fired up like, “Heck yeah, let’s do this! LET’S FLYYYYY!" or whatever Uhura's warp thing is.
And then about two years in, after realizing how long it actually takes getting from there to here, they just kind of look at each other like, “Hmm. Yeah… we’re done,” and head back home.
Totally plausible.
And then about two years in, after realizing how long it actually takes getting from there to here, they just kind of look at each other like, “Hmm. Yeah… we’re done,” and head back home.
Totally plausible.
I see the Leondegrance as a bit of a test project with the very real possibility that it was quite possibly a one-way trip.
Vonda McIntyre's movie novelizations have Starfleet sending three transwarp test ships to the Andromeda Galaxy. (At least one, the Magellan, reached Andromeda. It surveyed a supernova.) I wish McIntrye hadn't stopped writing Star Trek novels, because I really want to know what happened here. (However, she would potentially have been writing them under Richard Arnold's Reign of (T)Error, and he'd have killed them.)
Starfleet having a propulsion breakthrough, outfitting a ship with a test drive, and seeing if it works or is viable -- I can see that. Maybe the Leo got there and got back but there were issues discovered with the drive unit that rendered the discovery basically useless.
Maybe there was a subspace slipstream that Starfleet took advantage of and there was only a narrow window in which a mission to the LMC and back would be possible.
Point is, there are ways to justify and explain the Leo and her mission to the LMC.
I agree that the design is anachronistic, though.
Vonda McIntyre's movie novelizations have Starfleet sending three transwarp test ships to the Andromeda Galaxy. (At least one, the Magellan, reached Andromeda. It surveyed a supernova.) I wish McIntrye hadn't stopped writing Star Trek novels, because I really want to know what happened here. (However, she would potentially have been writing them under Richard Arnold's Reign of (T)Error, and he'd have killed them.)
Starfleet having a propulsion breakthrough, outfitting a ship with a test drive, and seeing if it works or is viable -- I can see that. Maybe the Leo got there and got back but there were issues discovered with the drive unit that rendered the discovery basically useless.
Maybe there was a subspace slipstream that Starfleet took advantage of and there was only a narrow window in which a mission to the LMC and back would be possible.
Point is, there are ways to justify and explain the Leo and her mission to the LMC.
I agree that the design is anachronistic, though.
^ Subspace slipstreams, slowly collapsing wormholes ("The wormhole will collapse in 6 years, Captain, so make sure you're back in five."), one use only power source. "Speed of plot" is a thing.
Yeah, there's lots of ways to potentially explain it. This is science fiction, after all. And while I'm not Thermian enough to actually hold future productions to the fine print of a background prop, until such time as they give us conflicting information that supersedes what we learned in Picard season 2, I consider it canon. It fits the definition.
Yeah, there's lots of ways to potentially explain it. This is science fiction, after all. And while I'm not Thermian enough to actually hold future productions to the fine print of a background prop, until such time as they give us conflicting information that supersedes what we learned in Picard season 2, I consider it canon. It fits the definition.
"Janeway" needs to do some basic arithmetic.
The Sulu captain aspect worked pretty well for me, and the ending is my fav part of the movie, good stuff. Also he had Christian Slater on his crew so that's something.
I don't have a problem with Sulu as a captain, but it really bothers me that the final scene at the end of 25 years worth of scenes has the helm station on the Enterprise unmanned and Sulu is not there with the rest of the characters. That was a big mistake, IMHO.
I agree with the general consensus that in-universe it doesn't make a lot of sense that Our Heroes are all still together. Having Chekov on Reliant and later Sulu captaining Excelsior helped with that a bit.
From a filmmaking perspective though, it feels a bit small universe that it's Excelsior of all the possible ships that's witness to the explosion of Praxis and later helps Enterprise defeat the BoP. The latter could have been done without Excelsior at all if they'd been so inclined, though it is a cool moment when both Es double-team the BoP.
Unfortunately this reminds me of the Worf problem in the TNG films, where in FC the way he ends up on the E makes sense, in INS they provide some mumbled explanation about it just to get it out of the way, and then in NEM he's just there. On the one hand, some explanation would be nice. OTOH, would any explanation feel anything other than kind of stupidly contrived?
From a filmmaking perspective though, it feels a bit small universe that it's Excelsior of all the possible ships that's witness to the explosion of Praxis and later helps Enterprise defeat the BoP. The latter could have been done without Excelsior at all if they'd been so inclined, though it is a cool moment when both Es double-team the BoP.
Unfortunately this reminds me of the Worf problem in the TNG films, where in FC the way he ends up on the E makes sense, in INS they provide some mumbled explanation about it just to get it out of the way, and then in NEM he's just there. On the one hand, some explanation would be nice. OTOH, would any explanation feel anything other than kind of stupidly contrived?
They did originally have a scene in Nemesis where they discussed Worf not being suited for the life of an ambassador and, thus, being back in Starfleet, but like most pieces of actual character material, it was cut from the film. However, it does make sense that Worf would be there for Riker and Troi's wedding on Earth and then tag along with the Enterprise for the ceremony on Betazed.
Frankly I'm glad they cut that, because I thought the idea of Worf serving as an ambassador was kind of cool.
I'm also fine with Worf being present for the Riker-Troi wedding. I'm less fine with him acting as Tactical Officer on the E-E and being back in uniform as though DS9 never existed.
I can see your point. However, the reality is that fans want to see the whole gang back together in the movies. Was it realistic for Sulu to be at the helm or Worf to be at tactical after all those years? No, of course not. But they are movies and everyone wants to see the main cast back together.
The closest they ever really came was the use of the character Gul Evek across TNG, DS9 and Voyager in establishing the Maquis, but after he had served his crossover purpose in Caretaker, they forgot all about the character.
This fan agrees with you. Seeing the gang back together is not interesting to me. Show me them growing and changing.
I am interested in the plot. The characters are secondary to me. I don't much care about Chekov's career growth. I want to see what the latest adventure of the Enterprise is. Yes, character is important, but it is secondary to the plot, IMHO. I suppose that's why I think season 2 of TNG was superior to the later seasons.
Chekov briefly moved on to become the first officer of the Reliant.
But we all remember how that turned out . . .
Deffo. We Khan see why he returned to Kirk's protective wing...
It made as much sense as that scene could have, balancing the needs of the character and the fan expectations. Sulu was the Captain of his own ship and went off onto his own mission. Putting a rando in the helm position with the cast's final shot would have been wrong and elevated some overdramatic, badly directed background person into that historic shot. So the bridge was unmanned except by the main characters left.
The last shot we had of Sulu was him standing triumphantly in front of his crew, with Rand behind him. Which was nice. There was no way to justify Sulu being on the bridge of the Enterprise as they flew into the sun instead of going home. That's what happens when Sulu ain't there to steer.
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