Wost TNG film?

[T'Cal]

Only 2 votes for GEN? Really now, am I the only one who finds it the most offensive Trek before VOY or ENT ever embraced the small screen?

Generations is NOWHERE near as bad as Insurrection and Nemesis.

I like GEN but the nexus plot is so poorly thought out that I have a tough time getting passed it. Beyond that, the characters are all written very well. I wish the actors who portrayed Robert and Rene had reprised their roles, although perhaps the writers had picked an earlier time and at least the actor who played Rene would've been too old. Also, when Picard sees his wife in the nexus, it should've been Beverly. The actress who played her looked a bit like her but it should've been Gates McFadden. I don't hate INS like many here do. It's not as strong as FC but it's by no means a bad film. I really felt that they were setting things up for the next film in which Riker wouyld get his own command and he would take Geordi with as his first officer. The battle scene sure implied that and it was done very well.

 

[PhoenixIreland]

My only gripe with Generations was that the Ent-D got destoyed by a BOP that a few hours before Picard implied was nothing more than a nat by comparason to a Galaxy class starship.

Yes they got through the shelds but why didn't they unleash torpedoes and the what...20 phaser banks that ship has?

 

[Krieg1981]

By far, Insurrection is the worst TNG movie. Tripe. At least Nemesis has a little action, and the new Romulan warbirds are intriguing!

 

[RaymondJames]

I had to go Insurection as well. As much as I do hate Nemesis, it had some action in it which Insurection really didn't. One good scene in Insurection was the moving of the people and Worf with a phaser riffle

 

[Falcor5]

I voted for Insurrection. The whole thing just felt very low budget to me. It is just such a dissapointing follow up to First Contact. Everything about it was worst than FC the effects, the story, the villians, and dont even get me started on the Soundtrack.

 

[smeos]

FC was the best because it weaved two story lines together quite well (and the LINE MUST BE DRAWN HEAH!) Also had the benefit of using the Borg before Voyager drove them into the ground and made them look like galactic wussies.

Then Generations, for having a decent villain and having the stones to kill off Kirk (I was never a TOS guy. It was before my time and I find it kind of hokey to be honest). Plus I thought his death was kind of touching. Dying on some planet with only the captain of the Enterprise at his side (. . . oh my . . .) I liked it, but I can understand why older people who adored TOS would hate the idea of "their" captain dying in another series' movie.

Nemesis was meh. Just meh. They stayed to the middle of the road all the way through. They stole the cloaked BoP scene from TUD as well. They killed Data . . . but they didn't. They had a hokey wedding and some humor that fell flat. Come to think of it, that movie has not one memorable line of dialog from that whole movie (John Logan is the shittiest writer ever).

Insurrections greatest sin was that it was boring and had shitty production values. They built a whole village but couldn't stick a fake forehead on the Baku. Also, how the hell could Starfleet not notice that they were the same race? Even a passive bioscan should have picked that up. Not to mention that they were doing business with a race that sold ketracel white to the Dominion of all people . . . just awful. There was precisely one good scene in the whole movie, and that was Picard's speech to Dougherty in his ready room.

The TNG movies, much like Voyager, are guilty mainly of missing golden opportunites to tell great stories at the expense of cheap, popcorn entertainment with no substance.

 

[Garrett]

Nemesis. It's the only Trek movie I've only sat through once. I had a feeling it was going to be pretty bad when 30 minutes into the movie I started wishing Nemesis was more like Insurrection. It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I remember there not being much of a threat. Shinzon is shown to be too weak of a state early on, the conspirators start in fighting almost right off the bat, and with the big fight where the special Romulan ship gets nearly destroyed they're never really much of a threat to the Federation.

Throw in B4, that goofy dune buggy sequence, the wedding speech, and I'd prefer to have the whole thing purged from my mind.

Insurrection was pretty bad, too, but it at least felt like a two part episode of TNG.

 

[Saxman1]

Except for FC, they all seemed like meh TNG TV series two parters. Bleh.

FC got a lot of things right - the interweaving of the two stories, scary as hell Borg, Picard edgy and ready to crack, good use of humor ("You broke your little ship!"), etc. The other films...well....

 

[Icy_Penguigo]

FC was a mostly entertaining movie, but I don't think it's nearly as perfect as everyone says. It ruined the Borg. Completely and utterly. It finally demonstrates that they are the most uselessly sad and retarded villains in all of Trek. Why don't the Borg just send a hundred ships at earth? Or just twenty. Or hell, EVEN just two! Seriously. But no, their brilliant plan is, "let's send one ship again, hope it works this time, and if it doesn't, we'll go back in time!" Argh. And time travel. I hate time travel. Especially when Star Trek uses it. It was cool to see a pivotal moment in Trek history and all, but I don't think it justified having yet another time-travel story.

And the Borg queen. Everything about her existence is contradictory to what the Borg were originally shown to be. Her existence alone makes me not want to like the Borg anymore. I mean, they took such a cool idea and ruined it with her. The Borg were awesome when they were truly unrelatable. All they knew was consume and assimilate. They couldn't be reasoned with. They had no centralization. No weaknesses to exploit. If you managed to find one, it wouldn't work twice, and it wouldn't really hurt them anyway since their sheer numbers are staggering and they're always multiplying. Staving them off for a time would always just be a minor speedbump for them, since they had all the time in the world and practically infinite resources to try again with. One way or another, they were going to reshape the universe in their image. Resistance truly was futile. That is the picture they painted originally of the Borg, and I thought it was intriguing and scary as hell. And then the Borg queen reduces them to an uninteresting, terrible, stereotypical gang of space thugs with their, evil, mustache-twirling leader. Oh, and you can kill her to hurt all of them! And she acts kind of crazy and illogical sometimes! LAME.

My point is, I don't think FC is the great movie everyone makes it out to be. Certainly doesn't touch the best of the TOS movies. It is better than the other TNG movies, but that is saying almost nothing. Not sure which one I dislike more between Nemesis or Insurrection, they were both insultingly bad. They might be tied for the worst.

 

[bullethead]

Insurrection was practically all talk and no action, and what little action there was sucked. It really seemed to me as if nobody really cared about making a good movie, much less a good Trek movie.

 

[Good Will Riker]

I have 121 DVDs in my collection, and Star Trek: Nemesis - Special Collector's Edition is the only film in my DVD collection that I never watch.

Even Rocky V gets more play than Nemesis in my collection, so that's really saying something...

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Today I'm voting for Insurrection, because I'm annoyed by it's trite social commentary, the insipid and dispicably self-involved Ba'ku, and the assumption that if you telegraph the "goodies" and the "baddies" loudly enough for the audience, we'll go happily along without questioning whether there are other angles to this issue which really ought to be explored.

Having just rewatched most of Insurrection, I couldn't put it much better. I would add character stupidity to it. Picard not immediately destroying the radiation collector when he had control of the So'na bridge. Instead he decloaks the holoship and the So'na crew reroute bridge control. Crushernever noticing the DNA of the So'na and Baku are the same until late in the game. (or anyone in Starfleet noticing...though this is never clear)

However...the movie is watchable enough.

My current worst is...Generations. I hate its music. Sure, Shatner and McDowell rule. The rest...pshaw! The Nexus is ridiculous. Picard is too short sighted to realize he can go farther back and save his family, stop Soran at the research station, etc.

That said, none of the TNG movies are great.

 

[Saxman1]

FC was a mostly entertaining movie, but I don't think it's nearly as perfect as everyone says.

Well, I didn't say FC is great - only that it got more things right than the other TNG movies. That's not really a compliment - it's an OK horror movie but not really a ST movie. Ha, ha, ha! I absolutely HATED the Borg Queen - the entire concept was stupid and took the teeth right out of the Borg. Nah, that's not right - "I, Borg" did that years earlier. I refuse to watch cute, cuddley Hugh borg or the follow-up two cliff-hanger with Lore. Let's send the entire ship to go look for Data who is now going "MOOHAHAHAHAHA!" with Lore!

The scenes with Data and the Queen verbally fencing padded the film and made it drag.

Yes, as a fan of R/T, it was nice they got back together in INS and NEM, but it was at the price of those films existing!

I've said this many times: TNG had a great ending with a great television film, AGT. They should have left it alone.

I'd be happy going the rest of my life never watching the TNG films again. No one I know who is a big TNG fan likes the theatrical films.

 

[rocketscientist]

FC was a mostly entertaining movie, but I don't think it's nearly as perfect as everyone says.

Well, I didn't say FC is great - only that it got more things right than the other TNG movies. That's not really a compliment - it's an OK horror movie but not really a ST movie. Ha, ha, ha! I absolutely HATED the Borg Queen - the entire concept was stupid and took the teeth right out of the Borg. Nah, that's not right - "I, Borg" did that years earlier. I refuse to watch cute, cuddley Hugh borg or the follow-up two cliff-hanger with Lore. Let's send the entire ship to go look for Data who is now going "MOOHAHAHAHAHA!" with Lore!

The scenes with Data and the Queen verbally fencing padded the film and made it drag.

Yes, as a fan of R/T, it was nice they got back together in INS and NEM, but it was at the price of those films existing!

I've said this many times: TNG had a great ending with a great television film, AGT. They should have left it alone.

I'd be happy going the rest of my life never watching the TNG films again. No one I know who is a big TNG fan likes the theatrical films.

Well, I'm a big TNG fan (one of the originals from college) and I loved FC. I'm a bigger fan of the original ST series, but I do think that FC is right up there with TWOK, TSFS, TUC, and TVH. It's actually the highest rated ST movie on rottentomatoes, averaging both the critic and fan ratings and it had the second-highest gross of any ST film (TVH had the highest). I thought it had a lot of action, great character moments, and, the thing that I really think made it a success with the general public, it had a scary enemy with the Borg!

Though I do think that TNG blew it with GEN, INS, and NEM (those three are all rotten on RT.com) FC is the exception. IMO, it was a great film.

 

[Saxman1]

FC was a mostly entertaining movie, but I don't think it's nearly as perfect as everyone says.

Well, I'm a big TNG fan (one of the originals from college) and I loved FC. I'm a bigger fan of the original ST series, but I do think that FC is right up there with TWOK, TSFS, TUC, and TVH. It's actually the highest rated ST movie on rottentomatoes, averaging both the critic and fan ratings and it had the second-highest gross of any ST film (TVH had the highest). I thought it had a lot of action, great character moments, and, the thing that I really think made it a success with the general public, it had a scary enemy with the Borg!

Though I do think that TNG blew it with GEN, INS, and NEM (those three are all rotten on RT.com) FC is the exception. IMO, it was a great film.

Compared to GEN, INS and NEM, yes, I agree, FC is a great film.

 

[RandyS]

My only gripe with Generations was that the Ent-D got destoyed by a BOP

My only gripe with GENERATIONS was that the Enterprise-D got destroyed period.

 

[RandyS]

My only gripe with Generations was that the Ent-D got destoyed by a BOP

My only gripe with GENERATIONS was that the Enterprise-D got destroyed period. If the TNG cast HAD to have a second Enterprise, why weren't they given the same respect that Kirk's guys got? In other words, a new ship identical to their first one? The Enterprise-E looks like a bloated Voyager, and like Voyager, is NOT an appealing design.

By far, Insurrection is the worst TNG movie. Tripe. At least Nemesis has a little action, and the new Romulan warbirds are intriguing!

Not only that, it had a better story.

 

[Captain W Riker]

My only gripe with Generations was that the Ent-D got destoyed by a BOP

My only gripe with GENERATIONS was that the Enterprise-D got destroyed period. If the TNG cast HAD to have a second Enterprise, why weren't they given the same respect that Kirk's guys got? In other words, a new ship identical to their first one? The Enterprise-E looks like a bloated Voyager, and like Voyager, is NOT an appealing design.

You don't like the Voyager design?

 

[smeos]

Since we only see the end of the Borg battle in FC, and the battle had been a running fight all the way from, presumably, the Typhon sector, it is possible that there were other, smaller Borg ships accompanying the cube that were destroyed by the time the Enterprise arrived at Earth.

 

[Icy_Penguigo]

Since we only see the end of the Borg battle in FC, and the battle had been a running fight all the way from, presumably, the Typhon sector, it is possible that there were other, smaller Borg ships accompanying the cube that were destroyed by the time the Enterprise arrived at Earth.

Wasn't there a line where Riker asked something like "How many ships?" and Picard was like "One". I could be wrong, been awhile since I saw it.

If that works for you in your own imagination though, run with it.