Why the hate for Disco?

[Alexander Corrino]

Re: New Guy... and some people STILL wonder what I mean when I say “some Trek fans really make the fandom an unsafe space to be in for those of us under the rainbow banner”... jfc.

Also a perfect example of why I cringe when people start sentences with “I like Disco, but...” However, if a good argument follows, I’m still willing to listen of course, I had some issues with plot decisions in the first two seasons myself (haven’t watched the third, no longer have Netflix). But if that which follows is like New Guy’s full blown dosage of homophobia (and racism)... I’m not willing to listen anymore. At all.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

6 messages and gone. That must be some sort of record

 

[F. King Daniel]

The only thing my generation is to blame for is....in the case of those of us who have children...not keeping careful watch on what our children are being taught in school. When your kid comes home and says "My teacher says Abraham Lincoln was a racist!" then you have a serious problem to contend with.

And now I'm going to point out an obvious incongruity in the "integrated" environment of all Star Trek series to date: Every one of them has had cast member who are very definitely reasonably "pure" representatives of specific races. White, Black, Asian, Indian, even American Indian. Yet, we're supposed to believe that we've left all traces of racism far behind us by this point in the future. But the mere presence of these ethnically pure and distinct individuals points to them all being descendants of people who made a focused effort to retain their racial purity. Otherwise, homogenization must occur.

Oyin Oladejo, Lt. Joann Owosekun, is a specific example. She is very ethnically pure (and beautiful) African, and for people of her skin tone to exist in the future, people of her color must find each other and breed true and continue to do so for all the centuries required to get to that part of the future. For people of the future to have such ethnic diversity, there logically must be enough people who are dedicated to preserving their own racial purity and not interbreeding with other ethnicities to keep their bloodlines going and keep them pure.

But if a white person advocates for keeping his racial purity today....some people want to treat him like a criminal.

I actually suspect that in a few hundred years, if there's still a human race left and it's travelling in space, it's going to have been homogenized by interbreeding to such an extent that the average skin tone is a light tan and there won't be any call for racial tension or any racial differences because we'll all be the same average blend of everything. So much for diversity! Welcome to a mono-ethnic, probably mono-cultural society! What call is there for "diversity" when it's been bred out of the species?

Christ. You don't get Star Trek at all. Were you thinking garbage like this when a black woman and Asian were being treated as equals to the white men on the original show?

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Christ. You don't get Star Trek at all. Were you thinking garbage like this when a black woman and Asian were being treated as equals to the white men on the original show?

Also this is the first time I have ever seen the "red pill" thing used seriously. I thought it was mostly used ironically by people making fun of incels

 

[Richard S. Ta]

It’s one of the only times forum-wise that I’ve seen terms like ‘racial purity’ thrown about so unashamedly.

 

[cooleddie74]

6 messages and gone. That must be some sort of record

Not even close. But it's impressive.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Why do I have a strong suspicion the Garblovian Greg was also an anti-masker?

 

[at Quark's]

Having seen most of S1 now, I'm still undecided as to whether this would be 'Star Trek' in my books or not, even though of course, it officially is, and it clearly takes place in the Star Trek universe. Not that it matters much; I think I quite like this series for what it is.

 

[The Rock]

Was disco ever good in the first place? Sure, it was a fad in the 70s but then people grew to hate it. Still though, Saturday Night Fever will always be a classic!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Christ. You don't get Star Trek at all. Were you thinking garbage like this when a black woman and Asian were being treated as equals to the white men on the original show?

I appreciate and agree with everything you say, and this is no criticism of you or anyone else, merely a plea to future posters who may also wish to get in a comment; but since said poster has been thankfully ejected into space, I think it's best to let his hateful words die with him and not continue to quote or discuss him. Thanks.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I like Star Trek.

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, the "everyone who hates STD is morally defective - bigots, right-leaning politically, etc." - is defensiveness by fans who just don't like their thing being criticized.

STD is a high quality production - although I think a lot of the early design stuff was awful looking, but that's just preference. They spend a lot of money on these, and it shows. The writing is too often gibberish and trash. It is not designed to appeal primarily to people on any basis of intelligence, any more than most CBS fare. And, being CBS, it's politically neutral or right-leaning in terms of content. The only thing really progressive about it is diverse casting, which catches the Franchise up with other television, finally, and was long overdue rather than being some bold statement by the producers.

 

[XCV330]

Yeah, the "everyone who hates STD is morally defective - bigots, right-leaning politically, etc." - is defensiveness by fans who just don't like their thing being criticized.

STD is a high quality production - although I think a lot of the early design stuff was awful looking, but that's just preference. They spend a lot of money on these, and it shows. The writing is too often gibberish and trash. It is not designed to appeal primarily to people on any basis of intelligence, any more than most CBS fare. And, being CBS, it's politically neutral or right-leaning in terms of content. The only thing really progressive about it is diverse casting, which catches the Franchise up with other television, finally, and was long overdue rather than being some bold statement by the producers.

I'd put the writing of Through the Valley of Shadows, Forget Me Not, If Memory Serves, and Context is for Kings on par with any other Trek series' episodes in terms of quality, though the style is at times different. They had a real problem with not being able to tidy up at the end of each season long arc though that is getting better, finally.

I get why the show is polarizing. And I think to some degree, it is hard to recover a from a bad first impression, which Discovery certainly gave to many. But it only takes a few minutes or even less, looking at comments of anything Discovery oriented on Youtube or Facebook to bring out what I will call the typical discovery hater, whose reply invariably turns into something like "Why in my days cars had carburetors and the lighting on the star ships was bright, not too bright like on the JJprize but just right like on pickirds ship or Kirks, and the women knew how to dress and behave and the Steelers ruled the AFC and.." and if you keep scrolling down into the circle jerk that follows you'll eventually get to some enlightened witticism like "Adam and Steve" or "SJWs".

So it becomes equally desirable for those of us who love the show on its own merits to become pretty fiercely defensive of it, sometimes to the point of having blinders on to the problems Discovery has very clearly had.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Yeah, the "everyone who hates STD is morally defective - bigots, right-leaning politically, etc." - is defensiveness by fans who just don't like their thing being criticized.

That's one thing that really does put me off, it's polarised the show to a "love it or hate it" thing and if you're not in the former then you're branded all sorts of crap.

 

[Coops]

Referring to it as 'STD' is pretty juvenile. Unless the other shows now go by STTOS, STTNG, STDS9 etc.and I missed the memo

 

[The Rock]

That's one thing that really does put me off, it's polarised the show to a "love it or hate it" thing and if you're not in the former then you're branded all sorts of crap.

Right.

While I love the show, I know people who don't like it because they don't like the writing, and these people are anything but conservatives. They're some of the most progressive people I know.

 

[Vger23]

That's one thing that really does put me off, it's polarised the show to a "love it or hate it" thing and if you're not in the former then you're branded all sorts of crap.

With much respect, I think we should have a really hard look at some of the victim mentality that seems to be going around. Fans of the show get mercilessly hammered too. So, maybe we can be more productive about it other than just looking at it myopically from the side of hurt feelings and our own personal experiences?

 

[Vger23]

Yeah, the "everyone who hates STD is morally defective - bigots, right-leaning politically, etc." - is defensiveness by fans who just don't like their thing being criticized.

In fairness, people go to these kinds of unfair and unfounded character assaults nearly anytime they encounter someone with a different ideology or way of thinking. DSC is just a minor example of how this happens regularly in everyday real life.

So....yeah....not sure why this would be a surprise.

 

[Mudd]

In fairness, people go to these kinds of character assaults nearly anytime they encounter someone with a different ideology or way of thinking. DSC is just a minor example of how this happens regularly in everyday real life.

So....yeah....not sure why this would be a surprise.

You're right. And I don't believe I suggested that there was anything surprising about it.

 

[Vger23]

You're right. And I don't believe I suggested that there was anything surprising about it.

That sentence was a general statement, not one aimed specifically at you.