Why the hate for Disco?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by David Hanley, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Mutai Sho-Rin

    Mutai Sho-Rin Crusty Old Bastard Moderator

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    ^^^^^^^^ I OWN the belief that you are saturated with ignorance and bigotry and have no place on this board.
     
  2. eschaton

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    I think a lot of it is just as we've become more and more polarized as a nation, studios have gotten more and more nervous about making any strong statements whatsoever.

    Of course, Trek which was openly political was pretty rare. But we're likely never going to see the likes of Past Tense and The Drumhead again.

    My favorite sort of politics in Trek though by far were episodes which brought up political issues - made the whole episode about them - and then didn't leave the viewer with any easy answers at the end. The best issue episodes leave you feeling conflicted at the end, rather than just confirming all of your own priors.
     
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  4. XCV330

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    You own it? My god man, sell it on ebay. It's a goddamned antique.

    I dont know if you mean X or the Boomers or if you were on Omaha Beach or did coke with Zelda Fitzgerald, but most times are filled with bad ideas and beliefs but there your beliefs. Do you believe in the power of Vitalis? You you think the Bohr model of the atom is correct and unassailable? Is meat in jello molds a nifty idea? When oh when is Baal going to do something with these child sacrifices? Would you prefer Stamets to be slightly shy and alone.

    I've had to dump a few beliefs over time. I've kept some. For instance I still think murder is bad and therefore Janeway ought to be in jail for murdering Tuvix because she DEFINITELY MURDERED TUVIX. And Archer killed half a planet. I know in my heart that Culber wouldn't kill Tuvix. He's a good person, tested by the worst events a person can endure, full of compassion and professional conduct and he brushes his teeth every night and some people don't. As sure as I trust his smile and the way he was poured into that uniform, I am glad he is there. I can't help that he made a poor decision in getting with that crusty grouch Stamets, twice for crissakes. Hearts are strange things.


    Some of my best friends have absolutely no issue with yadda blabayadda. How much is an appropriate level of non-hetero people on the show for you? Do you have a formula you can share? Let's say one couple holding hands is ok but Saru giving Transporter Accident Saru a naked full nelson with their ganglia all upright might be uncomfortable for you? you're imagining that now, all of you. You weren't before but you are now. It'll be on a reddit in days. The point is, the only one Saru can love and by love I mean bazoink, as we pretend scientists say, is another Saru. I own this belief. You can't have it. If you try to take it, I will spray you with windex as I have no pepper. I ran out of pepper and I forgot to get more when I was at the store yesterday. Plus it was an Aldi and I'm damned if I ever know if they have pepper in there. I can never get a handle on their inventory. I totally forgot my quarter I meant bring with me and I was reduced to walking around with an empty box that had had some kind of offbrand cheerios in it so keep all the stuff in for what i was going to make for dinner. It was pi day so i made a shepherd's pie, only they had no lamb so i used ground turkey.

    And you know what? It wasn't damned bad. i though it would suck and my kids would hate me. I thought I'd be judged by the outdated and myopic ideals of the past but they said it was great and by golly it was. I saved the recipe and I will make it again. But I'll probably get some pepper next time I'm out. That was sorely lacking the way Janeway's moral compass was lacking when she murdered Tuvix.
     
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  5. Garblovian Greg

    Garblovian Greg Ensign Newbie

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    I didn't realize how much leftist retardation I'd encounter here but all I had to do was say I don't much care for the blatant and commonplace LGBTBBQWTFuggery and not-so-subtle white male hate on Discovery to find out!

    So, let's trigger some people while I'm here. Which may not be very long. I don't think a lot of you are really "my crowd", so to speak.

    There are only two genders. Or are you actually going to argue with biology? You'll lose. Do you also think there are multiple answers to simple math questions? Oh, I forgot...math is racist because a math problem generally has only one answer or one set of answers.

    Have you bought into "racial equity" as well? That means "Give money and/or the rewards of success to those who have not earned it for themselves, regardless of whether or not it is due to a lack of willpower, planning, education, or intelligence...but only those that are deemed suitable by virtue of their race are eligible for this "equity".

    I'm awake, alert, observing, oriented, and making decisions...but I'm not WOKE. I took the RED pill instead.
     
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    you don't bunt until the coach tells you. why didn't you just lead out with your prime material? that's what you wanted to say all along, right? people like you, its like its under your skin trying to get out. i figured you had 4 replies in you till your septic tank exploded. Glad I didn't bet money on you.
     
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  7. M'Sharak

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    There you go again, trying to place the blame on your age or your generation. That's not it.
     
  8. Crazyewok

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    Bye bye.


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  9. Garblovian Greg

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    The only thing my generation is to blame for is....in the case of those of us who have children...not keeping careful watch on what our children are being taught in school. When your kid comes home and says "My teacher says Abraham Lincoln was a racist!" then you have a serious problem to contend with.

    And now I'm going to point out an obvious incongruity in the "integrated" environment of all Star Trek series to date: Every one of them has had cast member who are very definitely reasonably "pure" representatives of specific races. White, Black, Asian, Indian, even American Indian. Yet, we're supposed to believe that we've left all traces of racism far behind us by this point in the future. But the mere presence of these ethnically pure and distinct individuals points to them all being descendants of people who made a focused effort to retain their racial purity. Otherwise, homogenization must occur.

    Oyin Oladejo, Lt. Joann Owosekun, is a specific example. She is very ethnically pure (and beautiful) African, and for people of her skin tone to exist in the future, people of her color must find each other and breed true and continue to do so for all the centuries required to get to that part of the future. For people of the future to have such ethnic diversity, there logically must be enough people who are dedicated to preserving their own racial purity and not interbreeding with other ethnicities to keep their bloodlines going and keep them pure.

    But if a white person advocates for keeping his racial purity today....some people want to treat him like a criminal.

    I actually suspect that in a few hundred years, if there's still a human race left and it's travelling in space, it's going to have been homogenized by interbreeding to such an extent that the average skin tone is a light tan and there won't be any call for racial tension or any racial differences because we'll all be the same average blend of everything. So much for diversity! Welcome to a mono-ethnic, probably mono-cultural society! What call is there for "diversity" when it's been bred out of the species?


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    Unless money or sedatives are involved probably only breeding you get done is with a zip lock bag of warmed up refried beans, with a personality like that.

    The whole Size 6 tag is a pretty good sign you copied some of that garbage though I couldn't say what or from where.
     
  12. Sci

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    Love The Expanse. Don't see much of a difference in quality between it and DIS.

    I haven't seen any post of yours that makes me think you're a bigot. I conclude you just don't like change and want Berman-era creative conventions back.

    Ditto.
     
  13. Finn

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    Yanno we are incredibly inbred. So “racial purity “ is ridiculous.
     
  14. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    No I just like my modern arc shows to be well written and have a coherent story. I loved Picard and LD so how do you explain that
     
  15. cultcross

    cultcross You're all posters in some kind of neutral zone? Moderator

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    I OWN infracting this mess. Infraction for trolling, thread reply ban issued.

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  16. Sci

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    DIS is well-written and each season has told a coherent story. I can only conclude that you're right -- your dislike for DIS has no explanation. :angel:
     
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  17. The Rock

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    I wonder if Wil Wheaton genuinely loves this show as much as he claims on his Ready Room talk show or if he's just pretending to love it because he's getting a paycheck, lol. Cause damn Wil, I like this show a lot too, but some of the stuff you stay about it comes across as though you're overpraising it.
     
  18. Coops

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    Wow, imagine going through the registration process just so's you can post all that crap. I swear I had to wipe my screen because of all the angry spittle on it.

    Anyway. I'd suggest anybody that didn't 'get' Discovery on first watch to try it again. Maybe I'm getting dumber as I get older but, unlike the Berman-era shows, it took a rewatch for me to really enjoy Discovery. For TNG, DS9 and VOY I'd watch the episode and be there right away (ENT less so, maybe for similar reasons) and perhaps that was because of the story structures, there was less to mentally catch up on, boom, right from the bat it's a new story with familiar characters to enjoy. Plus with Discovery, I don't know, life's busier with kids and family life etc and there isn't always the time to switch off from that and, ahem, engage.
     
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  19. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Indeed. Surely anyone with in their right mind would at least keep the screed held back for a while so they could test the waters of the forum. Thankfully 99% of people here don't OWN that belief.

    I like Discovery, but even as a flag waver there are things that niggle me and I can see why the show has alienated people. Spock having siblings was something that was edged around in The Final Frontier, but the sudden appearance of Michael plays Hell with canon. Canon doesn't mean that much to me, but consistency does and honestly, being related to Spock doesn't add that much to Michael that couldn't have been done without. Then there's the general aesthetic and tech-level being apparently far in advance of what we were led to understand before.

    As I say, even as a person who doesn't give a fig about canon... well, I do care about some kind of consistency with what came before. I enjoy the show across it's three seasons, but season 3 is by far my favourite mostly because they are exploring a new setting, something I wish they'd done from the beginning, rather than upsetting the applecart. I also find it odd that Picard is largely playing within the rules off the TNG setting, but I guess that's down to lessons learned when they stirred up a hornets nest with Discovery Season 1. Star Trek and the setting is something people care about passionately and I understand why some are upset.
     
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  20. Coops

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    Spot on. I often feel like saying to the people who pick out faults with it that, yes, I see that too (it's never going to mesh seamlessly with the 1960s production values, for example, it just isn't). But we could spend days picking over similar issues with all the other Trek shows and never change anything, how's about we put that to one side and focus on what's good?