Think I remember Moore saying it was all they could do not to title it “Murder, My Pet!”
OP is also forgetting that Very Short Treks minisode about wiping boogers exists.
"You dare place the fifth movie in the same sentence as "The Alternative Factor" as though they are comparable? It is an offense to everything I hold dear. And to hear those words used to subvert The Final Frontier. You dirty its name when you speak them!" --Judge Norah Satie, probably
It's just far easier to put on shows like The Hangover rip off and the puppet episode than it is to actually write good sci-fi. And people have been gaslit into believing this is all innovative TV, with the big swing talk etc.
There is a good argument for pulling the series right now and not showing any more episodes because of the brand damage its causing. I believe something similar happened with a Willow TV show and the Batgirl movie. I agree the puppet show is a new low for Trek but I predict we'll get worse by the show's end.
There is a good argument for pulling the series right now and not showing any more episodes because of the brand damage its causing. I believe something similar happened with a Willow TV show and the Batgirl movie. I agree the puppet show is a new low for Trek but I predict we'll get worse by the show's end.
I do wonder what the Star Trek some fans remember is, because I have a feeling it is somewhat edited from the various shows that were.
Memory is a funny thing. And being a kid when you watch Quark running around in drag or Neelix get his feet rubbed or Tom Paris go at infinity speed and be in all points in the universe all at one, makes it go down a lot better than it ever would if you saw it for the first time as an adult.
Memory is a funny thing. And being a kid when you watch Quark running around in drag or Neelix get his feet rubbed or Tom Paris go at infinity speed and be in all points in the universe all at one, makes it go down a lot better than it ever would if you saw it for the first time as an adult.
I saw all of these as an adult. It was rough.
If anyone's curious, this is what rock bottom looks like for each of this era's series, according to the TrekBBS polls. These are their worst episodes, the stinkiest stinkers.
(The hosting site I'm using is being slow so these pictures might take asecond hour to load).
This picture shows the percentages from the TrekBBS polls. If the numbers don't match the polls I either messed up or someone's been voting recently.
The colours show which scores got the highest concentrations of votes, which isn't the same as the average score.
And this picture shows the ratings that I calculated. None of these scores are good by TrekBBS standards, so don't worry, people still dislike Monsters. Though I don't get what people's problem with Whistlespeak is. It's such a mild, harmless story.
Sorry I don't have any data for the older series so I can't tell you how Spock's Brain, Masks and Threshold compare. I guess the forums didn't have a poll feature built in yet in 1966.
If it helps, I watched them fairly recently and they're real bad. In my opinion.
(The hosting site I'm using is being slow so these pictures might take a
This picture shows the percentages from the TrekBBS polls. If the numbers don't match the polls I either messed up or someone's been voting recently.
The colours show which scores got the highest concentrations of votes, which isn't the same as the average score.
And this picture shows the ratings that I calculated. None of these scores are good by TrekBBS standards, so don't worry, people still dislike Monsters. Though I don't get what people's problem with Whistlespeak is. It's such a mild, harmless story.
Sorry I don't have any data for the older series so I can't tell you how Spock's Brain, Masks and Threshold compare. I guess the forums didn't have a poll feature built in yet in 1966.
If it helps, I watched them fairly recently and they're real bad. In my opinion.
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"Spock's Brain" is still the dumbest episode of all the series. Followed closely by "Shades of Gray" and "Series Acclimation Mil."
Spock's Brain is fine. Maybe it's no masterpiece, but it's hardly the worst TOS. It's not even the worst of TOS S3, as And the Children Shall Lead and Plato's Stepchildren are much much worse. And yes, I will be so bold to say those episodes, as well as TNG Home Soil are very significantly worse than Level Five Transporter Accident, which is actually very fun to watch.
I remember all that stuff but still think the Muppet episode is worse than all of it.
No, that's it.
I think the point is that the discussion of the "worst episode of Star Trek" is now over.
According to the OP.
And I look forward to its inevitable musical version.
We're Trek fans. We dont let any discussion "just end."
I'll cop to finding "And the Children Shall Lead" very creepy and disturbing (in a good way) back in the day. And the ending, when the kids are finally forced to confront their grief over their parents' deaths, still packs a bit of a punch.
The final episode of Enterprise is much worse than Spock's Brain.
At the risk of posting an unorthodox opinion in the wrong thread, TATV isn't the disaster everyone will make you think. It's still a very flawed episode, and probably not the best choice for a series finale, particularly when Enterprise already had a perfectly fine two part story immediately preceding TATV which could have served as a suitable finale. But if you watch it on its own without the context of it being the final episode, it's not all that bad or disappointing at all. If it had been any episode other than a series finale, I think it would be remembered as a mostly forgettable episode with a side of WTF for trying to make the audience think Frakes and Sirtis still looked the same as they did eleven years earlier and would not be hated a fraction of what it has been.
They really should have set the Riker/Troi storyline post-Nemesis on the Titan instead of on the Enterprise D concurrent with The Pegasus, regardless if it were the final episode or some random episode in the middle of the season.
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