SNW is way less worse than this 24/25 century stuff i agree
I wouldn't say they destroyed the franchise, but they definitely made the whole of the franchise lesser.
DISCO was terrible. SFA was not good. A lot of PICARD didn't work. SNW started off very well, and season 2 was pretty good with the exception of one REALLY bad dud, but season 3 was a massive letdown, overall. The less said about SECTION 31, the better.
LOWER DECKS and PRODIGY were the only true gems of the Kurtzman era.
we have more or less the same feelings about every specific series
I see more and more people trying out TOS and TNG because of newer Trek. If that's lesser than I don't think Star Trek needs more..it needs less content.
What I mean by lesser is the overall quality of the whole is diluted and made lesser than before.
Take scotch, rum, etc. By itself, they are fantastic. But when you water it down, it's not as good as before. It's diluted.
Kurtzman era, when added to the rest, has diluted the franchise in much the same way.
I applaud him for trying a few things, and he DID try to be as broad as possible by trying to give something for every kind of fan. It just didn't work out as well as hoped.
I agree. That's why no more needs to be made.
I'll take your word for it on alcohol.
even a show as wildly polarizing as Discovery had some fantastic moments. I'm not going to compare it against other shows. Each one is a little different. There were missteps.
Discovery had show runner issues and writer issues. It never had acting issues. But when it had writing issues, my God did it have writing issues.
Strange New Worlds has fan issues: ill say it. if you have a problem with SNW, the problem is probably inherent in you. Some people just like to complain. Some people wanted a time machine to make more episodes exactly like whatever period of time in their lives they liked the best and connect to Star Trek. it wasn't going to happen. This is the show you wanted, people. If you're too dumb to remember that, it's not anyone else's fault.
Picard: wrote a lot of checks without funds in the bank. It was like a different series each season and none of them were good.
Lower Decks: did exactly what it was supposed to do. And not everyone was going to like that. It's fine.
Prodigy:they didn't seem to know who they were trying to sell it to, sometimes. They wanted a show to appeal to younger people and got stuck in the nostalgia trap. But not too badly. It was a good show, and I hope it can come back.
Short Treks: A terrific idea. Wish they had made more
SFA: a good show marketed badly. People will claim they always liked this one 20 years later when a new generation finds it and wasn't told they're supposed to hate it.
Discovery had show runner issues and writer issues. It never had acting issues. But when it had writing issues, my God did it have writing issues.
Strange New Worlds has fan issues: ill say it. if you have a problem with SNW, the problem is probably inherent in you. Some people just like to complain. Some people wanted a time machine to make more episodes exactly like whatever period of time in their lives they liked the best and connect to Star Trek. it wasn't going to happen. This is the show you wanted, people. If you're too dumb to remember that, it's not anyone else's fault.
Picard: wrote a lot of checks without funds in the bank. It was like a different series each season and none of them were good.
Lower Decks: did exactly what it was supposed to do. And not everyone was going to like that. It's fine.
Prodigy:they didn't seem to know who they were trying to sell it to, sometimes. They wanted a show to appeal to younger people and got stuck in the nostalgia trap. But not too badly. It was a good show, and I hope it can come back.
Short Treks: A terrific idea. Wish they had made more
SFA: a good show marketed badly. People will claim they always liked this one 20 years later when a new generation finds it and wasn't told they're supposed to hate it.
Before this it was Abrams, before Abrams it was Berman, before Berman it was Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer.
Just the same old broken record. Much like every other person to be in charge of the franchise, some of the material they put out was a hit, some of it a miss.
Eh, I’ve watched a little bit and it just doesn’t click for me.
Absolutely. I really love the two animated shows produced during the Kurtzman years, been pretty lukewarm to the live-action stuff. Just is what it is.
No one bats a thousand and no product is perfect neither are completely without value.
So, if the end is nigh, Kurtzman probably goes out with a C on his report card. Mediocre run with some hits and some misses.
Um, no. That’s like saying that if you have a problem with the person currently running the government, the problem is probably inherent in you. Which is not the case.
But I agree with all the other stuff you said.
how... convenient
I'm sure some folks do bring their personal baggage with them when they talk about these shows. Just a really broad brush to say everyone that has an issue is because they are bringing their issues with them.
I was watching the first episode of Strange New Worlds season two, where Spock is crying over Christine Chapel in the transporter room. Amy was watching with me and she pretty much loves everything and even she said, "what the fuck, that sure seemed unearned".
I am free to like or dislike any show I want. So can everyone else.
I haven't liked anything Kurtman-era Trek has done save for Picard. I think most of it is garbage. And my Picard rankings are the exact opposite of what seems to be the conventional wisdom around here. Season 3 is my favorite, season 2 is okay, season 1 I can't stand.
And you know what? That is not a "problem" with me. You can disagree all you want. If you love those shows, great. But because I do not does not constitute a problem.
I haven't liked anything Kurtman-era Trek has done save for Picard. I think most of it is garbage. And my Picard rankings are the exact opposite of what seems to be the conventional wisdom around here. Season 3 is my favorite, season 2 is okay, season 1 I can't stand.
And you know what? That is not a "problem" with me. You can disagree all you want. If you love those shows, great. But because I do not does not constitute a problem.
I initially liked DSC but gave up on it after season 3.
I initially liked PIC, watched all three seasons, but have overall come to dislike it in general.
I never cared for Lower Decks from the get-go despite watching all five seasons.
I loved Prodigy.
I am lukewarm to SNW and stopped watching after season 3.
I have not watched SFA and probably never will.
I watched Section 31 and wish I could get those two hours of my life back.
This is not a bitching post. This is an average viewer’s opinion of the Kurtzman era in general, with the conclusion that some stuff was good, some was not, some have not aged well over time, and its time has clearly come.
I initially liked PIC, watched all three seasons, but have overall come to dislike it in general.
I never cared for Lower Decks from the get-go despite watching all five seasons.
I loved Prodigy.
I am lukewarm to SNW and stopped watching after season 3.
I have not watched SFA and probably never will.
I watched Section 31 and wish I could get those two hours of my life back.
This is not a bitching post. This is an average viewer’s opinion of the Kurtzman era in general, with the conclusion that some stuff was good, some was not, some have not aged well over time, and its time has clearly come.
My position has been, and remains: I enjoy most of the classic stuff; I enjoy most of the Bennett stuff (though II-III more than IV-VI); I enjoy most of the Berman stuff; I’ve come to enjoy the Abrams stuff; I enjoy most of the Kurtzman stuff. Each a little differently, that’s all, which stands to reason. I’ve never understood the “this writing sucks because it’s different from my era’s” paradigm, which seems to cross all fandoms.
The show I wanted had less hijinks and love triangles and bullshit space magic and bad comedy and more Star Trek.
That’s 1000% valid — but positions like that (“This doesn’t work for me”) I totally respect. Positions like (“This sucks, not like the shows I liked! Because it is bad!”), I generally can’t.
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