Why the hate for Alex Kurtzman?

[The Salt Umpire]

I liken the Trekverse to a SF annual with about 25-30 stories inside. I have never liked all the stories in any of them, some I start to read and -this isn't for me for reasons- and skip to the next story. I might reread being the velocibibliophile that I am and changed my mind a few times. But I always bought the next issue (many thanks, Gardner Dozois!) because most of the stories were good. Remember 1977's Star Trek: The New Voyages? Some of the fan fiction within the first anthology was eye-rollingly bad, but I still bought the second one. Anthologies introduced me to favorites like Kim Stanley Robinson and Spider Robinson. Others? I remain puzzled at their popularity.

Most of Trek is good. Love that. Accept that. Good's increasingly rare in this century, and we are entering a drought.

 

[Ovation]

...everything? Literally all of it??

It’s ok. He’s a Lanthanite. He’s got time.

 

[Tango]

Take scotch, rum, etc. By itself, they are fantastic. But when you water it down, it's not as good as before. It's diluted.

Mr. Scott has entered the forum.

 

[Steve Roby]

...everything? Literally all of it??

I‘ve got over a thousand Star Trek books, but I started in 1971. I used to do a Star Trek books website back in the pre-Wikipedia days and went overboard buying unauthorized nonfiction, academic critiques, etc, for a few years, but cut back to the fiction and comics and the occasional other thing over the last decade or so.

There are some collectors here on TrekBBS who buy the same book in different formats, but I only did that when the contents were different. I don’t have the largest or most complete collection round here, though it’s obviously a bit more than average. Last time I tried to figure it out, there were another 7000 non-Trek books in the house.

 

[XCV330]

I‘ve got over a thousand Star Trek books, but I started in 1971. I used to do a Star Trek books website back in the pre-Wikipedia days and went overboard buying unauthorized nonfiction, academic critiques, etc, for a few years, but cut back to the fiction and comics and the occasional other thing over the last decade or so.

What did you think of the Gold Key comics when they came out? (Edit: or when you first saw them, more correctly)

 

[Steve Roby]

I didn’t buy them regularly, but I’d pick them up occasionally. They were entertaining even when they were just totally wrong. I bought the four Gold Key Enterprise Logs reprint collections as they came out, though, when I was a teenager, and was darn glad to have them. I filled in the gaps later. The earliest stories… oy. By the mid-‘70s they were a lot easier to accept as recognizably Star Trek.

 

[XCV330]

I didn’t buy them regularly, but I’d pick them up occasionally. They were entertaining even when they were just totally wrong. I bought the four Gold Key Enterprise Logs reprint collections as they came out, though, when I was a teenager, and was darn glad to have them. I filled in the gaps later. The earliest stories… oy. By the mid-‘70s they were a lot easier to accept as recognizably Star Trek.

I've had a couple of the early ones, and yes, as you say. But its interesting how they kind of just had to make stuff up. Ive been cutting back tremendously on a lot of things and I suppose I've gotten rid of 75% of my books and virtually all of my comics.

 

[Steve Roby]

For comics, I switched to digital around the time of Covid. Plus I already had that Star Trek comics DVD-ROM with PDFs of almost every comic from before IDW got the licence, so I haven’t read a print comic in ages, aside from Lower Decks: Warp Your Own Way. They’ll survive the first round of decluttering, but when the time comes to sell the house and downsize, they probably won’t make the cut.

 

[Firebird]

There’s a lot of Star Trek I like, some of it I love, and a bit I can’t stand, but I’m willing to give all of it a fair shake on its own terms the first time out the gate.

We all have our myriad opinions on the various shows and movies. The problem becomes when these opinions are miscast as facts and the false point gets belabored to death, over and over and over again…

 

[ichab]

I don't hate Kurtzman. I don't hate people that I've never met. I just think that the majority of Star Trek this past decade has sucked on his watch. And I'm someone who enjoyed ever version of Star Trek from the first series all the way thru Enterprise, warts and all. The only parts for me that are rewatchable are SNW and PS3. The rest I have no desire to see again and some were so bad that I refused to finish.(Discovery, SFA)

 

[camdudetenger2018]

lol lol why the hate thought its like what is he

is he like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in usa tv history

in other words why is this guy getting so much heel heat aka hate is it because of all of his tv shows that he made started and created over the years during the 2010s era and 2020s era lol lol like is that why he is like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in tv history

 

[fireproof78]

I don't hate Kurtzman. I don't hate people that I've never met. I just think that the majority of Star Trek this past decade has sucked on his watch. And I'm someone who enjoyed ever version of Star Trek from the first series all the way thru Enterprise, warts and all. The only parts for me that are rewatchable are SNW and PS3. The rest I have no desire to see again and some were so bad that I refused to finish.(Discovery, SFA)

Well put even if I disagree. The hatred is a line too far but some times Trek isn't for me. Indeed I stopped watching Voyager and Enterprise easily and early on. My friend loved it. I moved on.

 

[XCV330]

lol lol why the hate thought its like what is he

is he like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in usa tv history

in other words why is this guy getting so much heel heat aka hate is it because of all of his tv shows that he made started and created over the years during the 2010s era and 2020s era lol lol like is that why he is like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in tv history

 

[publiusr]

I didn’t buy them regularly, but I’d pick them up occasionally. They were entertaining even when they were just totally wrong. I bought the four Gold Key Enterprise Logs reprint collections as they came out, though, when I was a teenager, and was darn glad to have them. I filled in the gaps later. The earliest stories… oy. By the mid-‘70s they were a lot easier to accept as recognizably Star Trek.

I loved the alternate take on the transporter room…not just round pads but huge structures to either side.

 

[F. King Daniel]

lol lol why the hate thought its like what is he

is he like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in usa tv history

in other words why is this guy getting so much heel heat aka hate is it because of all of his tv shows that he made started and created over the years during the 2010s era and 2020s era lol lol like is that why he is like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in tv history

The Vince Russo of Star Trek

 

[camdudetenger2018]

The Vince Russo of Star Trek

lol lol

 

[Detached Nacelle]

lol lol why the hate thought its like what is he

is he like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in usa tv history

in other words why is this guy getting so much heel heat aka hate is it because of all of his tv shows that he made started and created over the years during the 2010s era and 2020s era lol lol like is that why he is like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in tv history

 

[Forbin]

I think my universal translator has a glitch.

 

[Rebel Scum]

lol lol why the hate thought its like what is he

is he like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in usa tv history

in other words why is this guy getting so much heel heat aka hate is it because of all of his tv shows that he made started and created over the years during the 2010s era and 2020s era lol lol like is that why he is like one of the biggest heels aka super villians aka bad guys in tv history

That's some nifty Vogon poetry right there.

https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Vogon_poetry

 

[CoveTom]

The Vince Russo of Star Trek

So who is the Eric Bischoff of Star Trek?