That would happen with anything. Every audience has hecklers. If creators let ourselves worry about that kind of reaction, we'd never get a thing done.
Why are there so many references to Voyager in Streaming Trek, and so little to DS9 in comparison?
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That would happen with anything. Every audience has hecklers. If creators let ourselves worry about that kind of reaction, we'd never get a thing done.
Only really in regards to the Dominion War, so as Trek moves farther and farther away from that, what else is there that isn't in the Bajor Sector that future Trek shows can reference?
The fact that far more Trill humanoids can be hosts than publicly known (Trill has a civil war in the comics), Bajor entering the Federation, resumed exploration of the gamma quadrant, Ferengi cultural reform, Odo attempting Dominion cultural reform, the threads followed up in the novels, Clear Skies, Star Trek Online and onther fan films and expanded universe content, continuing stories of the individual characters, true appearance/history/homeworld conditions of the Breen, exploration of (and hopefully eventual defeat of) Section 31, Betazed recovering from occupation, more on Worfs time as ambassador...
To drive this point home, here's this bit from an episode of Jeopardy! that aired in November of 1999.
I'm sorry to disagree, but very little of what Janeway is as far as smarts is concerned has ended up in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as shown here.
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That fact is still not publicly known as it was hushed up by the Symbiosis Commission.
I doubt that DS9 stuff in fan films, comics, games, and books will be referenced in current Trek productions. The Ferengi cultural reform, however, is something that truly could be followed up though. While the concept of Section 31 originated in DS9, it's now no longer unique to that series as it's as been explored in other shows and movies as well. Other stuff is more Dominion War era, and that's already a given.
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If you look at DS9 season 7 ratings against Voyager season 5 ratings, Voyager are higher but not by much.
More hardcore Trek fans and critics tend to lean DS9 but basically preference now seems to boil down to the same dark/serial vs light/fun debate as everything else.
As for who gets included in series you also have to factor in which series have actors who are still attractive at their current age. And which series has more actors who are dead or retired from acting who play the characters who people would really like to see again.
More hardcore Trek fans and critics tend to lean DS9 but basically preference now seems to boil down to the same dark/serial vs light/fun debate as everything else.
As for who gets included in series you also have to factor in which series have actors who are still attractive at their current age. And which series has more actors who are dead or retired from acting who play the characters who people would really like to see again.
Which led me to my follow up question: for those are wanting more DS9 references what would you like to see? Obviously, it won't get by unscathed in terms of critique, but nothing does, as noted. So, since apparently current Trek is ignoring DS9 in some fashion what is the remedy?
And note, this is a general question.
For the record, I'm not complaining they should reference DS9 more, even though it'd be nice. Depends on the plot and how the references would fit in. Not refs for refs' sake. It's also, for me, not a competiition with VOY or any other show.
As we've established, Mariner has served on DS9 so a longer flashback could work. In terms of characters, if there was an interesting story to it, I'd ove to see Kira again (Nog and Odo if their actors were still alive, alas!), maybe on a stop at DS9 or Bajor. And Garak, of course, might fit into some spy story or other.
Anyway, that's not what I'm watching LD for.
But I honestly don't get the remarks about actors "still looking attractive". The surviving cast look just fine for me. Nevermind that it's... voice acting.
As we've established, Mariner has served on DS9 so a longer flashback could work. In terms of characters, if there was an interesting story to it, I'd ove to see Kira again (Nog and Odo if their actors were still alive, alas!), maybe on a stop at DS9 or Bajor. And Garak, of course, might fit into some spy story or other.
Anyway, that's not what I'm watching LD for.
But I honestly don't get the remarks about actors "still looking attractive". The surviving cast look just fine for me. Nevermind that it's... voice acting.
But, it's not just LD but streaming Trek in general being referenced by the OP.
Ah, ok. Well, I think both VOY and DS9 veterans look fine. Some ofc may not be acting anymore,like Cirroc Lofton.
Except it isn't ignoring DS9. Discovery season 3 did a lot with the Trill and the Orion Syndicate. Just last week on LD, Mariner referenced having served on DS9 and broken Worf's mek'leth. Just because they don't go out of their way to artificially ensure that every series gets an exactly equal number of references doesn't mean they're "ignoring" anything.
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I was just working within the context of the thread. More a curiosity as to what the OP, or others who share the opinion, would want to see that would make DS9 less "ignored," to use their terms.
What I meant to say is that, since they aren't actually "ignoring" DS9 but simply referencing it less heavily to date, that means there's probably no need for any "remedy" beyond just being patient and waiting for them to get around to it. For all we know, one of the upcoming Lower Decks episodes or the arc of Discovery season 4 could be loaded with DS9 elements, and we just don't know it yet. Just because the ratio of references so far has been slanted in other series' favor doesn't mean it will necessarily stay that way. It could just be uneven distribution.
I asked Netflix Customer service about this today... Nice person I spoke with called Ravi said he can't confirm or deny if Trek will still be available internationally... I really hope Netflix will keep it. I'd subscribe to CBS 'cause I love having all of Star Trek at my fingertips... If it were available in Vietnam. But as it stands, Netflix is where I can watch Trek here. Bah!
Also, as to DS9 references,
Quark
his name
That's hilarious.
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Please watch the spoilers for Lower Decks. These are fairly minor, but there should be none.
Thanks
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And you can thank the Borg since 8 of the 10 episodes are Borg centric.
Glad to see Endgame getting some love because I remember it getting absolutely trashed by fandom back in the day. I always thought it was a great finale and I'm glad I'm not alone in that opinion.
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Picard season two seems to be referencing the events of
"Past Tense"
I wonder if an element is because, if they encountered anyone from DS9, then they'd have to address the elephant in the room that is Sisko. Did he ever return, and if so under what circumstances?
I doubt it's that. After all, Seven of Nine in Picard doesn't bring up the current whereabouts of anyone else from Voyager. Aside from Icheb.
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