Why are there so many references to Voyager in Streaming Trek, and so little to DS9 in comparison?
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That's... surprising. Considering his general stance on the show I mean.
I don't think Beltran's issue was with the Trek universe as a whole, but with the people he worked for on Voyager and the way they approached the show and his character. This is a different show with different people making it.
Plus it's voice work, so it's not a major investment of time and energy. It might've been just a single day's work for him.
He's a cantankerous sort. He described the Prime Directive as 'fascist crap' a few years ago.
I recall reading he had a legendarily unprofessional attitude whilst working on Voyager, stemming from his own unhappiness whilst playing Chakotay. I suppose it's more complex than 'he likes/doesn't like Star Trek'. I'm just surprised he'd return. Voice work as you say.
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Wow, that's totally misusing the word. Fascism is absolute control over others at the expense of their freedom of choice. The Prime Directive is the absolute protection of others' freedom of choice and self-control. It can be taken too far and applied in questionable ways, but that doesn't make it fascism. That word doesn't just mean "anything I disagree with."
I dunno. He said it, not me.
https://www.cnet.com/news/star-trek...-beltran-the-prime-directive-is-fascist-crap/
Like I said, that's why I'm surprised he'd come back. Happy that he is though and I hope he's feeling happier.
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I see that VOY is leaving Netflix but DS9 and TNG are staying for now.
ENT, VOY and TOS... Well, I'm sad now.
I think that's only for the US, it'll still be on Netflix internationally (for now).
Thank goodness! I was starting to get really worried! Paramount+ doesn’t work here.
Don't forget endless hours of dax obsessing and fixating on gender differences across multiple lifetimes.
It'd be really really interesting if someone 300 years old spend a solid hour a day obsessing over peepees and boobs.
At best they were too lazy to care, at worst the writers weren't that bright.
There's an endless number of episodes where flat out stupid things were said for absolutely no reason.
Simple things like "recycling" a watch because that energy is needed to support the warp corp.
That isn't "we have a science advisor" and he didn't get the concept. This is someone who is scientifically illiterate.
This isn't a good writer not caring about science, this is about a writer being too stupid to realize a solid proportion of the audience is gonna be dumbfounded by such a stupid line of dialogue.
Focusing on story over science is great, but technobabble was so often used to circumvent good writing and put science into the equation to get around having to write something challenging.
If that were the case why even mention the word event horizon?
Good writing doesn't need to bring up science, but Voyager did the opposite they inserted science into a story and then proceeded to butcher it time and time again.
It's straight up hack writing either motivated by stupidity or laziness.
Voyager is a great show if you are a kid or you're an adult who never followed through on learning anything about science.
I don't hate voyager, but there are consistently very stupid moments in just about every episode. Up until recently I would call it Michael Bay does Star Trek.
There's just so many things that are just straight up insulting.
Like the whole "we got tricked by our supposed native american consultant".
As if you could actually hire a consultant on Native Americans. Either its the bullshit they spew at conventions and are straight up lying or they truly are just entirely ignorant human beings.
Would you hire a black guy to a consultant on African Americans?
I'd never rag on something so intensely for being so dumb, if they didn't try to present themselves as being so clever and bright.
Janeway is a strong female character?, even the actor had to play her as mentally unstable. Maybe you shouldn't make her the flagship of the female gender.
I know lets utilize the borg, instead of them being the ultimate threat to the federation, an undying never ending threat, lets make them into a generic race of zombies.
How about holotechnology? Let's establish a pandora's box technology that is set to remove every ounce of dramatic tension out of the show moving forward.
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Not sure I understand this point of view is this a gut feeling?
Cardassia was explored in depth, the klingons were explored to full depth, the romulans as much as they've ever been explored in any show were done well.
We have the Ferengi being developed, we've seen a great deal of earth/federation politics/maquis on a level that isn't just a shallow evil admiral of the week.
We have the worm hole and their aliens, the founders home world, etc.
In DS9 you actually got to learn about societies and the going ons.
DS9 was all about learning and expanding ones mind.
In voyager exploration means, made up bullshit anomaly of the week, made up technological malfunction with the holodeck. Or we get the good old planet of the week alien, that is entirely 1 dimensional. Who is used for some predictable planet of the week scheme.
Occasionally they'd attempt to cover their tracks and break free of that box. I.e. lets prove that not all Hirogen are 1 dimensional rip offs of the movie Predator. So they create an engineer character who goes on to create another mess produced by the holodeck. Now all of a sudden you have the technology to create a trillion trillion holograms in a few decades.
Voyager is just straight up shallow. It's version of exploration is the equivalent of going to disney land and taking photos in front of the fake eifel tower, fake stonehenge, fake pyramids, fake taj mahal etc.
It's a surface level of exploration that is shallow and lacks depth.
DS9 on the other hand feels like the federation actually exists. Up until age 20 or so I could argue I knew more about the federation/alpha quadrant from DS9 than I did know about the continent of Asia.
That's episodic storytelling versus serialized. You're never ever going to get the depth you do from seasons-long storytelling as you do in 42 minutes.
And "made up anomaly" ... dude, it's all made up. Wormholes may be based on real theories, but I assure you they're not inhabited by magic godlike creatures that exist outside of time.
Anyway, please limit your responses to 1-2 posts at a time. You can find all the rules of posting here pinned at the top of this forum.
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If it's just made up, you have the choice of not doing the same thing over and over again.
You can get away with something made up if it's good. If it's not it just waters things down the product.
It's not about what Voyager did in a given episode, it's why they did it. And the common denominator is typically there isn't a stellar reason. It's just so typically peaking low hanging fruit.
Nope, it's just a case of looking at it simply. DS9 is pretty much limited to things in the Bajor Sector, something other Trek shows are not.
Events in DS9 impacted on Earth, Cardassia, Kronos, Ferenginar, Trill. Betazed...
Let's be fair-if new Trek does anything with DS9 accusations of ruination will occur.
So, what would references be in order to demonstrate an appropriate appreciation of DS9?
So, what would references be in order to demonstrate an appropriate appreciation of DS9?
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