Of course the values are for everyone, but they are progressive ( Left/Liberal/what have you) values
Where is your confidence level now with ST:Dis?
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Rather "Does entertainment inform political decisions?"
Noting that 'progress' and 'progressive' allide to different meanings...
The Arts reflect all aspects of the human experience. Since the majority of creative types are thoughtful, creative people, the Arts generally promote a liberal philosophy, and Star Trek is a prime example of that (and I mean liberal, not Left Wing).
Politically they're progressive values, not conservative. American right wingers oppose most of what Trek stands for. Always have, always will.
A little better, now that I've seen more. I still need to see the cast photos or the first trailer.
The ship also looks like the NX class all over again.
The ship also looks like the NX class all over again.
Seeing pictures does curb up my excitement greatly, and therefore positively affects my confidence as well.
Currently I have great confidence in the show itself. I personally would have gone in a different direction (post-TNG), but the creators do have seem a clear vision of what they want to do and (mostly) hit the right notes.
I'm not very confident in the success of the show. Mostly because of this weird CBS-Access stuff. Luckily I'm not in the US, so for me goes the Netflix deal. I don't know how prevalent CBS-access currently is, or how the American market place for such a channel looks. No idea. But I have the fear everyone will like the show, but nobody will watch it. Some kind of Trek-Firefly combo so to speak.
Currently I have great confidence in the show itself. I personally would have gone in a different direction (post-TNG), but the creators do have seem a clear vision of what they want to do and (mostly) hit the right notes.
I'm not very confident in the success of the show. Mostly because of this weird CBS-Access stuff. Luckily I'm not in the US, so for me goes the Netflix deal. I don't know how prevalent CBS-access currently is, or how the American market place for such a channel looks. No idea. But I have the fear everyone will like the show, but nobody will watch it. Some kind of Trek-Firefly combo so to speak.
Regarding politics in fiction:
Yes. Trek IS lefty-liberal progressive to the extreme. It has also some of the "conservative" values (improvement through technology) - at least they were conservative values during the space race, before the GOP went bananas.
That being said, the political leaning of a fictional work does NOT necessarily impact the enjoyment of it. I, as a very progressive, love "conservative" fiction like "Ben Hur", "24", or the new "Battlestar Galactica". I don't necessary agree with it all the time. But it IS good fiction. Nobody should abstain from Trek only because he isn't a liberal. In fact, watching something from the other side of the aisle may even help to better understand the others' viewpoint.
That being said: The Trumpet's, racists, white-supremacists, homophobes, alternative facts-freaks and internet trolls can stay at home as far as I'm concerned...
Yes. Trek IS lefty-liberal progressive to the extreme. It has also some of the "conservative" values (improvement through technology) - at least they were conservative values during the space race, before the GOP went bananas.
That being said, the political leaning of a fictional work does NOT necessarily impact the enjoyment of it. I, as a very progressive, love "conservative" fiction like "Ben Hur", "24", or the new "Battlestar Galactica". I don't necessary agree with it all the time. But it IS good fiction. Nobody should abstain from Trek only because he isn't a liberal. In fact, watching something from the other side of the aisle may even help to better understand the others' viewpoint.
That being said: The Trumpet's, racists, white-supremacists, homophobes, alternative facts-freaks and internet trolls can stay at home as far as I'm concerned...
Exactly.
Nobody really knows much at all about the show at this early stage, so let's just say I'm cautiously optimistic about Discovery. I like the setting and the idea that the Klingons will be given a major focus and it certainly sounds like it could be a lot of fun.
Star Trek series' often start off with a weak opening season, but reading all the articles inclines me to believe that the powers-that-be have learned their lessons from previous screw-ups (i.e. Season 1 of Enterprise), so I doubt we'll be faced with that kind of mess again.
Star Trek series' often start off with a weak opening season, but reading all the articles inclines me to believe that the powers-that-be have learned their lessons from previous screw-ups (i.e. Season 1 of Enterprise), so I doubt we'll be faced with that kind of mess again.
I'm concerned this show won't be about "seeking out new life and new civilizations", or "boldly going".
It appears, with its shorter episode Order/season, to be more about specifically Federation & Klingon relations and possibly politics.
That's fine, and may turn out brilliant. But I like the imagination of exploration and creative aliens.
This show might be too small in its setting: the galaxy. So, I'm skeptical.
It appears, with its shorter episode Order/season, to be more about specifically Federation & Klingon relations and possibly politics.
That's fine, and may turn out brilliant. But I like the imagination of exploration and creative aliens.
This show might be too small in its setting: the galaxy. So, I'm skeptical.
Since Star Trek was rarely about that, I don't see a problem.
The original series was very much about exploration and discovery, as was the first couple of years of TNG. Then it all evolved to ferrying ambassadors back and forth and such. Eventually, the characters would even comment on it themselves.
With the exception of DS9 Trek was ALWAYS about exploration and discovery!
Just because they weren't always in completely unknown space doesn't negate that. That's not taking into account how much exploration and science happens in "known" space, just to get a better understanding about it.
Really, Trek always had only two kind of plots:
a) a science plot
b) a diplomacy plot
Sometimes there were overlaps, or even one or the other exception. But that's basically what Trek always was about. And all of a), everything, even the episodes that took place in or near Federation space, falls into the category "exploration and discovery"!
Only occasionally.
Dude. Almost always. All those science plots. Space wedgies. Detours that Voyager took. That's all "exploration and discovery".
Just because they didn't walk around with a blank paper and sketched a new map on it means it wasn't about exploration. That's not ow science works.
I just looked through all of the episodes of Season 3 of TNG, and barely half of them dealt with any kind of strange new life or civilization. The rest all dealt with trips to Federation colonies or outposts of some sort, Klingons, Romulans, Q, Ferengi, or crew members' personal issues. Q, and the Ferengi did start off as new life, but by Season 3 that really wouldn't apply to them any more.
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