True. But Chakotay said he had replicated it months before. And in any case, if he thought it would be a good present in one timeline, wouldn't he have thought so in another?
When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?
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You forget about the day counter at the bottom throughout the episodes. At that point, it was at least a couple months since they entered Krenim space.
It was Day 65. And I suggest if you haven't, read the Chakoteya transcript for YoH, it provides context for why Chakotay thought it would be an appropriate gift. The episode as filmed edited it out.
So Chakotay might or might not have replicated the watch after the Day 1 reset point... but wouldn't he have thought it was a good present whether they were fighting the Krenim or not? Ergo, when the events of the YoH timeline were erased, he would still have replicated the watch in the non-YoH timeline.
exactly
I have not read the transcript, but the actual dialogue from the episode points to a very battered ship by Captain Cray, which Voyager was at that point. If the ship was not so battered, Chakotay might not have come up with the idea in the first place.
The amount of energy they have on the ship is ridiculous.
Phasers, shields and warp speed.
If they stand still they can probably replicate food for thousands of years.
If they stop replicating food for a year, they can use that massive reservoir, to move the ship another 15 feet.
But if they need poop to make food, and they can't often get fresh poop from a star base, and they can't trust alien poop, and replicators can't function without a constant supply of poop, and the system is not %100 efficient...
They have more than enough power to turn millions of of tons of poop into millions of sandwiches, but their asses are going to get really raw trying to make the next million tons of poop.
Despite what piece of the script you can find that says otherwise, they are not eating leola root to save power, they are eating leola root to add new poop to their floundering ecosystem.
no doubt, which is another reason replicator rationing made no sense.
i’d hope that the replicator is not that particular about where the matter comes from!
Different bacteria? Or something completely incompatible or poisonous.
The process is unknown, but I'd like to think that ingredients matter.
Given the dire circumstances Voyager is in, I'd say the captain's private dining room seems like a luxury Janeway should have given up anyway, if the room could have been repurposed to a more productive use. Not that Neelix' mess hall necessarily would have been its best use, or that he did the right thing by barging in without asking permission.
Not sure I agree with that. We see them getting better in surviving and making their own stuff over the years (from not being able to replace photon torpedoes to crafting entire self-designed Delta Flyers), and they also do get closer to home over the years. We also see them establish communication, first a one time instance, later structurally, with the Alpha Quadrant, and that communication gradually seems to become less restricted, as well. So I wonder, what should the series have done more to establish that 'clear sense of progress toward the goal of getting home'? Have a season long story arc of quantum slipstream engine building, and testing it, perhaps?
In my opinion, it is true though that 1) Voyager seemed to make very little progress in the first 2 years (still in Kazon territory?), 2) most of the actual distance covered toward home seemed to be in huge jumps (e.g. the 10,000 LY jump in the Gift), and 3) Voyager often appeared highly episodic.
In the end it's all atoms.
If all they need is Atoms, then they don't need poo, but they do need poo, so it's not just atoms.
They are re-sequencing protein.
Shit is the least valuable protein on hand?
Riker said they change the texture and flavour to make their vegetarian meals seem like meat with the replicator.
So I guess, the replicator makes the poop healthy/safe and then changes the flavour.
I don't see the problem.Almost every organic molecule we eat today has probably been part of countless organisms in the past, including being shit out by many of them.
The only thing the resequencer does is shorten the recycling time a little bit.
The only thing the resequencer does is shorten the recycling time a little bit.
Then they could probably just add the leola root itself. Even if biomatter is recycled separately, it's debatable whether they need to process it.
Actually yes. That would have been an excellent alternative to the whole "Janeway destroys the timeline to save three people" thing we got. It was handled better in "The Visitor", "Timeless", and "Twilight" later on.
Consider... the last few episodes feature the crew getting items and materials they need to assemble the drive properly. Then, with the Borg breathing down their necks, they ignite the drive in the final (or better yet penultimate*) episode and go roaring home.
*I think we should have gotten an episode of reunions and celebrations, and finding out what DID happen to the crew, rather than what didn't. But that's just me.
I could live with the product itself, but not the animal cruelty involved. 
Be that as it may, the inconsistencies regarding replicator energy would have been in place regardless of who the captain was. Like a lot of things people denigrate Janeway for, they were actually the results of the writers/producers decisions. Maybe "Prodigy" will do the character more justice.
Really, if they wanted to have a cook onboard, they should just have the replicators crash. After all, if they're 70k light years from home and the tech is not readily available in the Delta Quadrant, it makes sense. And if/when they want to end that storyline, they just trade for new replicators (and torpedoes for that matter).
Be that as it may, the inconsistencies regarding replicator energy would have been in place regardless of who the captain was. Like a lot of things people denigrate Janeway for, they were actually the results of the writers/producers decisions. Maybe "Prodigy" will do the character more justice.
Really, if they wanted to have a cook onboard, they should just have the replicators crash. After all, if they're 70k light years from home and the tech is not readily available in the Delta Quadrant, it makes sense. And if/when they want to end that storyline, they just trade for new replicators (and torpedoes for that matter).
I could live with the product itself, but not the animal cruelty involved.
Be that as it may, the inconsistencies regarding replicator energy would have been in place regardless of who the captain was. Like a lot of things people denigrate Janeway for, they were actually the results of the writers/producers decisions. Maybe "Prodigy" will do the character more justice.
Really, if they wanted to have a cook onboard, they should just have the replicators crash. After all, if they're 70k light years from home and the tech is not readily available in the Delta Quadrant, it makes sense. And if/when they want to end that storyline, they just trade for new replicators (and torpedoes for that matter).
Other way around.
Voyager was trading Replicators for everything else that they wanted.
As long as you weren't a Kazon. Because why should the Kazon be able to replicate themselves a nice cold glass of water?
Especially since they have holodeck generators that don't work as a power source for other systems on the ship? Does that mean that if I go on the holodeck and have a meal scene created the holodeck produces the food or the replicator?
The holodeck is probably configured to tap into the replicators to produce any consumable, such as food or massage oil (for "those" programs
). If it can't, it either says "unable to comply" or produces nonfunctional mockups). Since holograms are photons and force fields while food is chemical substances, that's the only way you could eat anything on the holodeck.
