Perhaps there IS some grounds for my original supposition: That Gibbs's Rules were derived from Janeway's Rules.
It's tough to do when you're living and working on a ship together.
When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?
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Perhaps there IS some grounds for my original supposition: That Gibbs's Rules were derived from Janeway's Rules.
It's tough to do when you're living and working on a ship together.
Harder still when no one else is available. Your options are date a co-worker, date random passing aliens, date a hologram, or... well, replicate some hand lotion.
Listening to the Delta Flyers podcast, it really is amazing how often Janeway puts her crew in jeopardy over nothing. There's certainly justification for saying she's a bad captain.
There are also people who just hate women in starring roles. Can't do anything about that.
There are also people who just hate women in starring roles. Can't do anything about that.
And equally often, the safety and wellbeing of her crew is paramount. Which suggests that she is... well, vacillation prone.
Kate Mulgrew was always brilliant in the role, but the writers never seemed to have a handle on how far she would go to endanger the crew. Dark Frontier is my favourite in that regard. Let's go harass the Borg for the tech. Nothing can go wrong!
Back during Alliances in S2, when it seemed like VOY was going to explore the trickier experiences the DQ was providing. Even if it was only the Kazon.
Voyager as a lone ship going against enemies should have had more of a realistic approach to Starfleet regulations. But that experience tells her that she needs to cling to their Starfleet values more. Or something?
Then by S3, in The Swarm, she's willing to endanger the crew by taking a shortcut through somebody's space? A race that just didn't want the ship passing through.
Janeway's major problem is the lack of consistency.
Back during Alliances in S2, when it seemed like VOY was going to explore the trickier experiences the DQ was providing. Even if it was only the Kazon.
Voyager as a lone ship going against enemies should have had more of a realistic approach to Starfleet regulations. But that experience tells her that she needs to cling to their Starfleet values more. Or something?
Then by S3, in The Swarm, she's willing to endanger the crew by taking a shortcut through somebody's space? A race that just didn't want the ship passing through.
Janeway's major problem is the lack of consistency.
Very true. Another example of the sloppy writing that plagued the show.
You will find folks who believe that the tone of Year of Hell should have been represented across the whole of Voyager; you will not find me among them.
I believe that. Also that Year of Hell could have been more interesting.
What was "Living Witness": a Janeway hater's late night undercooked buffalo wing with jalapeno cheese sauce-fueled fever dream?
I always liked the idea of a Year of Hell, but then even something like a month where they're in real trouble? If that had happened every now and then in the series it would have been appreciated.
The Void was a good example of the crew being stuck and having to work with whatever was around them to get out. It showed everything the show could have beeen.
The Void was a good example of the crew being stuck and having to work with whatever was around them to get out. It showed everything the show could have beeen.
Star Trek has always been about optimism.
Dystopia has never played well on American TV (Jericho, Max Headroom, Revolution).
Why rag on Revolution?
No, it was a VOYAGER hater's late night binge on greasy tacos with jalapeno cheese sauce, extra hot salsa, cayenne pepper, and industrial strength fire sauce.
I think that’s an ahistorical reading. In the 90’s the US was out of major conflicts and war crimes were things that happened in Bosnia. DS9 was examining the ethics of war in a vacuum: a society that still believed in the “end of history” and a post-Cold War liberal, capitalist hegemony in which major-scale conflict was no longer a realistic possibility. It was after 9/11 that the US openly started committing and defending war crimes. In light of that shift, I think I agree that DS9’s politics have aged poorly. In The Pale Moonlight becomes a lot harder to watch after the US lied its way into war.
The obsession with the post-apocalypse was somewhat disturbing.
