Re: What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomac
Out of curiousity, what line was that?
Out of curiousity, what line was that?
What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomach?
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Re: What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomac
Like I said, just like me.
It helped when I realized they're telling all the same stories that science fiction does, only justifying them differently. And since they're able to wave off the explanations as "magic", they can spend less time spouting technobabble and more time exploring the characters' reactions to these situations.
The humans and human-like monsters (eg, those which do more than growl and kill) are inevitably the most interesting to watch anyway; the rest simply exist as punching bags, and little more.
That's something Star Trek got wrong sometimes in the later years....it became too much about the aliens, not enough about the people dealing with them.
Like I said, just like me.
It helped when I realized they're telling all the same stories that science fiction does, only justifying them differently. And since they're able to wave off the explanations as "magic", they can spend less time spouting technobabble and more time exploring the characters' reactions to these situations.
Fortunately, you don't *need* to take the monsters seriously to enjoy the show(s), because some of the makeup is fairly bad. They're just the backdrop. The character interaction is what makes both shows (any Whedon show, actually) worthwhile, and monster-wise, all that's necessary is that you believe the characters take them seriously.
The humans and human-like monsters (eg, those which do more than growl and kill) are inevitably the most interesting to watch anyway; the rest simply exist as punching bags, and little more.
That's something Star Trek got wrong sometimes in the later years....it became too much about the aliens, not enough about the people dealing with them.
Just for the record, the two series may be in the same universe, but they're very different shows.
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Oh, amen! I loved Xena... so long as they were being funny. Once they got too involved in their own self-important "darkness" - what a bore.
How could I leave off Heroes?? What people see in that show is a total mystery to me.
Oh, amen! I loved Xena... so long as they were being funny. Once they got too involved in their own self-important "darkness" - what a bore.
How could I leave off Heroes?? What people see in that show is a total mystery to me.
Thespeckledkiwi
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Not necessarily. They are trying to blend reality with comic books. Trying to update it and try to throw away all the stuff they can't explain -- which is why they are comic books. *sighs*
Not necessarily. They are trying to blend reality with comic books. Trying to update it and try to throw away all the stuff they can't explain -- which is why they are comic books. *sighs*
Re: What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomac
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY GALAXY!
*cringe*
GET THE HELL OUT OF MY GALAXY!
*cringe*
Re: What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomac
The biggest problem with that line is that it deflects the entire point of the scene. Since it's the last thing Sheridan says before the FOs bugger off, everyone focuses on it, but the line is completely irrelevant to the direction events were taking at that point.
Once it was clear there was no way to achieve their goals, leaving was the only viable option----particularly with Lorien's pressuring them to do so. Sheridan's ranting may have focused them enough to make that conclusion evident more quickly, but no more.
Oh, and incidentally, he says "our", not "my".
The biggest problem with that line is that it deflects the entire point of the scene. Since it's the last thing Sheridan says before the FOs bugger off, everyone focuses on it, but the line is completely irrelevant to the direction events were taking at that point.
Once it was clear there was no way to achieve their goals, leaving was the only viable option----particularly with Lorien's pressuring them to do so. Sheridan's ranting may have focused them enough to make that conclusion evident more quickly, but no more.
Oh, and incidentally, he says "our", not "my".
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Stargate has been pretty unwatchable since the 2004-2005 season completed. Stargate SG-1 was completely stale in its final two years, and Atlantis has been equally devoid of life since the beginning of season two.
A part of me loves Babylon 5, but a part of me is incredibly annoyed by the cheese factor that others have noted. I know plenty of viewers will justify it as "theatricality," or comment that it was made for a very low budget, but I've always wished things had more polish on that show.
Stargate has been pretty unwatchable since the 2004-2005 season completed. Stargate SG-1 was completely stale in its final two years, and Atlantis has been equally devoid of life since the beginning of season two.
A part of me loves Babylon 5, but a part of me is incredibly annoyed by the cheese factor that others have noted. I know plenty of viewers will justify it as "theatricality," or comment that it was made for a very low budget, but I've always wished things had more polish on that show.
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I'm not an apologist for the cheese factor in B5. It definitely had some. My personal cringe inducer is any time Claudia Christian had to deliver some needless exposition to move the story along.. "Well, as you know, Minbari have bones on their heads and the Narn used to be subjugated by the Centauri, so I went down to Brown Sector, where the station's disenfranchised homeless live..." ugh.
But the good in B5 was So Good, I can easily look past some cheese to get to it.
You know, it's like I know it's a fiction, but with any fiction you need to suspend some amount of disbelief. I will never understand those who discount the show because of the dated special effects looking "fake", but can totally get into anime, where it's 100% "fake".
I'm not an apologist for the cheese factor in B5. It definitely had some. My personal cringe inducer is any time Claudia Christian had to deliver some needless exposition to move the story along.. "Well, as you know, Minbari have bones on their heads and the Narn used to be subjugated by the Centauri, so I went down to Brown Sector, where the station's disenfranchised homeless live..." ugh.
But the good in B5 was So Good, I can easily look past some cheese to get to it.
You know, it's like I know it's a fiction, but with any fiction you need to suspend some amount of disbelief. I will never understand those who discount the show because of the dated special effects looking "fake", but can totally get into anime, where it's 100% "fake".
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I sincerely doubt it ever got as bad as you're implying. There's no denying that some lines were pretty awful, but I'd really like to see a specific example of what you're talkign about.
I sincerely doubt it ever got as bad as you're implying. There's no denying that some lines were pretty awful, but I'd really like to see a specific example of what you're talkign about.
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That was an exaggeration, of course, but any time there is a walking two-shot where Ivanova is telling another character something they should already know, just to get the viewers up to speed is what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just the way Claudia delivered it that made it seem like she had more of it than anyone else, but it takes me right out of the show whenever it happens.
EDIT: Here's one, though it was admittedly one where the exposition was meant to be absurd: "Chief of security is in critical condition in medlab. He thinks there's a conspiracy concerning the president's death. Ambassador G'Kar has mysteriously vanished. After two years we still don't know what Ambassador Kosh looks like inside his encounter suit. And Ambassador Delenn is in a cocoon."
-- To Sheridan, "Points of Departure"
That was an exaggeration, of course, but any time there is a walking two-shot where Ivanova is telling another character something they should already know, just to get the viewers up to speed is what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just the way Claudia delivered it that made it seem like she had more of it than anyone else, but it takes me right out of the show whenever it happens.
EDIT: Here's one, though it was admittedly one where the exposition was meant to be absurd: "Chief of security is in critical condition in medlab. He thinks there's a conspiracy concerning the president's death. Ambassador G'Kar has mysteriously vanished. After two years we still don't know what Ambassador Kosh looks like inside his encounter suit. And Ambassador Delenn is in a cocoon."
-- To Sheridan, "Points of Departure"
Re: What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomac
I've come to realise that if you start a TV series from the beginning you will end up liking it if you give it some attention. The best way to do this is to buy it on DVD. Lets face it, if you see the odd episode here and there on tv you're not going to have a clue what's going on. Once you become familiar with the characters, the themes, the general layout of the universe the show takes place in then there is a big chance that you will like it.
Also you must have the time and willingness to to watch a new tv show. If you are coaxed to watch a show by a friend or a loved one then there is the danger that you will not like that show.
I have watched all the Treks, B5, Fascape, Stargates, BSGs, Red Dwarf, Seaquest DSV, Xfiles, Buffy/Angel.....you name it, and I've like every one of them. Sure each show has its good sides and bad sides, but I have never rejected a show. I like watching stuff.
I've come to realise that if you start a TV series from the beginning you will end up liking it if you give it some attention. The best way to do this is to buy it on DVD. Lets face it, if you see the odd episode here and there on tv you're not going to have a clue what's going on. Once you become familiar with the characters, the themes, the general layout of the universe the show takes place in then there is a big chance that you will like it.
Also you must have the time and willingness to to watch a new tv show. If you are coaxed to watch a show by a friend or a loved one then there is the danger that you will not like that show.
I have watched all the Treks, B5, Fascape, Stargates, BSGs, Red Dwarf, Seaquest DSV, Xfiles, Buffy/Angel.....you name it, and I've like every one of them. Sure each show has its good sides and bad sides, but I have never rejected a show. I like watching stuff.
Re: What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomac
"Not stomach" is a bit strong for how I felt about any TV show ... no wait ... Flash Gordon fell into that category ... but that exception aside, usually I just can't be bothered.
There are a few, but more notably I never saw the purpose of Smallville, a show that looks to me to be designed to go nowhere. Liked Buffy, but had no time for Angel, and two seasons in Enterprise broke me of my Star Trek habit for good long while. I also never really got on board with most of the sci-fi that bubbles up in syndication, like Xena and Hercules.
"Not stomach" is a bit strong for how I felt about any TV show ... no wait ... Flash Gordon fell into that category ... but that exception aside, usually I just can't be bothered.
There are a few, but more notably I never saw the purpose of Smallville, a show that looks to me to be designed to go nowhere. Liked Buffy, but had no time for Angel, and two seasons in Enterprise broke me of my Star Trek habit for good long while. I also never really got on board with most of the sci-fi that bubbles up in syndication, like Xena and Hercules.
Re: What SciFi or Fanasty Series, Film or Franchise can you not stomac
Lois and Clark - Dean looked too Hispanic for me and Superman aint Hispanic.
Stargate - I tried watching a few episodes and they sucked.
Fringe - BORING! I cant stand another Conspiracy-every-episode-show-that-will-never-be-solved crap. The X-Files played this genre out and I refuse to watch a show that has some "secret govt/society" behind the scenes causing all the mayhem, but we never quite understand what is going on.
Lois and Clark - Dean looked too Hispanic for me and Superman aint Hispanic.
Stargate - I tried watching a few episodes and they sucked.
Fringe - BORING! I cant stand another Conspiracy-every-episode-show-that-will-never-be-solved crap. The X-Files played this genre out and I refuse to watch a show that has some "secret govt/society" behind the scenes causing all the mayhem, but we never quite understand what is going on.
Thespeckledkiwi
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Smallville is very blech.
Harry Potter to me fell off really bad after OOTP...
Smallville is very blech.
Harry Potter to me fell off really bad after OOTP...
doubleohfive
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More to the point -- they exist in a totally separate and different medium, so naturally some things are going to shift.
More to the point -- they exist in a totally separate and different medium, so naturally some things are going to shift.
Thespeckledkiwi
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That is true but people can't make the distinction of it being a separate medium.
They tend to blend the two mediums together (in the case of Batman or Spider-Man, the comics and the movie).
If they are going to be two separate and different continuities, they should change much more than a few minor things.
A good point is: the Ultimate Universe in Marvel vs the regular continuity. There is many, many changes in that, that is totally different than the regular continuity.
I would like to see that carried over to the movies and have -- well another total universe. I believe that both DC and Marvel have different realities (or universes).
The movie continuity should be Universe XXX in Marvel and Universe XX in DC. Make it distinct and completely removed from the comics and create not only a unique universe but something totally different.
That is true but people can't make the distinction of it being a separate medium.
They tend to blend the two mediums together (in the case of Batman or Spider-Man, the comics and the movie).
If they are going to be two separate and different continuities, they should change much more than a few minor things.
A good point is: the Ultimate Universe in Marvel vs the regular continuity. There is many, many changes in that, that is totally different than the regular continuity.
I would like to see that carried over to the movies and have -- well another total universe. I believe that both DC and Marvel have different realities (or universes).
The movie continuity should be Universe XXX in Marvel and Universe XX in DC. Make it distinct and completely removed from the comics and create not only a unique universe but something totally different.
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