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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Going back to what @Lord Garth said a page back... In principle I like Discovery. I like the ship, the crew and the general tone. It's just that it's all over the place narratively. Is it about a Klingon War, the Mirror Universe, Time Travel or the fall and rise of the future Federation? All of it, and as a result, really none of it. It's a result of the creative Hell that it's been through. Picard is a much more focussed show and I'm guessing Strange New Worlds will have more focus from the off.
I like all the Star Trek shows, including Discovery, but I'd agree it's the worst just because it's all over the shop. In trying to say everything it ends up saying nothing.
Prelude to Axanar was a bunch of nice production values and some actual actors (Peters aside) creating the illusion that there was more to it than a very lame, shapeless, bland script that was nothing more than a trailer. That it's inexorably tied to a talentless serial grifter is another matter.
More like an entirely new script. As a screenplay it's a shapeless disaster that can't decide what it's about beyond some really trite ideas.
You can be alone in a crowd.
McCoy and Spock weren't there. He died out of sight of any of his friends and loved ones - both in 2293 and in 2371.
In fact only one other living being witnessed either. Jean-Luc Picard, a man who wouldn't even be born until almost 12 years after Kirk's first recorded death. That's pretty close to being alone.
In fact only one other living being witnessed either. Jean-Luc Picard, a man who wouldn't even be born until almost 12 years after Kirk's first recorded death. That's pretty close to being alone.
You think Picard is better?
Yes. I do. Without question.
LDS S1 > PIC S1 > DSC S3 > DSC S2 > DSC S1. Individual episodes may vary from that generality.
Well, thanks to another thread, my new controversial opinion is “Ridicu-tits don’t look good on ANYONE, and they REALLY don’t make people who shoop them look good.”
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Can you specify what you mean by that, for people who haven't seen the other thread?
Not sure I can still do series rankings like the few posters above. I know I'd put TNG first, by quite a margin, and DSC last, by quite a margin, but everything else?
- ENT is rarely that terrible. It's just rarely very good, either. Most ENT episodes are quite average.
- VOY has some issues with its premise and how it treated it, and I'm not too fond of half of the characters, but I like that it often tried to bring new ideas, tried to make people think. Execution wasn't always top-notch, but it tried to tackle some more hefty subjects and SF concepts.
- TOS has an inimitable "charm" that's hard to describe and it was quite bold at the time, but it also didn't age very well. It's often quite misogynistic, no denying that. It's also often frustrating to watch the characters acting like children with each other. Well, mostly McCoy with Spock. I didn't mind the playful aspects of their dynamic, but McCoy ranting about "unemotional Spock" during times of crysis got old fast. Spock shouldn't handled it like Data here.
- DS9: some aspects are great (side/recurring characters, the Dominion, pretty much all the Klingon stuff), some are terrible (everything to do with the Emissary/prophets/pagh-wraiths + everything to do with the mirror universe). On the terrible aspects, it's as bad as DSC (sometimes worse), on the good ones, it flirts with the best of TNG.
- PIC: really no idea where I'd place it.
- LD seems to be aimed at teens, I think. Tries too hard to be funny, usually isn't (I think I chuckled 2-3 times over the whole season). Still, it's quite fun even though it's not often funny (TOS is funnier - almost every fistfight is pure hilarity).
Wonder how many more members @Lord Garth is gonna trick with that one before tomorrow.
Yup, he's the first one to openly call it. I was wondering how long that would take.
April Fool's Everyone!
Apologies to @Richard S. Ta. It looks like he's the one who actually bought it.
Yup, he's the first one to openly call it. I was wondering how long that would take.
April Fool's Everyone!
Apologies to @Richard S. Ta. It looks like he's the one who actually bought it.
No apologies necessary. I'll put it down to being a total noob on the forum.
I stand by what I said though, I like Discovery but it's all over the shop.
I like Discovery very well but I agree that it lacks a good solid through line that really makes it's narrative that extra bit of good. That said, I will rate it higher than VOY and ENT because DSC at least set out with a goal of being different and stuck with it.
Ridiculously artificially outsized breasts. In this case CGI, but really applies to other media as well.
If it's about religion it IS about control. That is what religion does. Kai Winn was not nearly the controlling bitch she should have been.
*insert Get Smart joke here*
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