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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Controversial Star Trek opinions? Alright, I'll have a blast now ^^

-Star Trek: Generations is the best ST movie of all (ok, I'm not sure if this comes off that controversial, but at least I have hardly met anyone so far sharing that point of view).

-Star Trek: The Final Frontier might not be the greatest ST movie, it's not even among the best ones, BUT it's actually far from being bad.

-The seemingly common believe that every first season of the old ST shows was bad is nonsense. TNG season 1 for example has already so many little gems, it's actually awesome even though the real classic episodes came mostly with the later seasons.

-Speaking of TNG season 1: "Justice" is a very good ST episode. The setpieces and costumes might look awkward, but I see that as an intended way of exaggerating and presenting the so-called paradise planet and its inhabitants in a satirical way. Besides, this presentation comes with a whole lot of TOS vibes. And the episode's plot and its final message are pure ST from the book.

-Wesley Crusher is not THAT bad. He's far from being my favorite TNG character, but I never found him really annoying whatsoever and some episodes centred around him are actually quite strong (for example "Coming of Age", "Final Mission" or "Journey's End").

-Sisko's actions and decisions in "In the Pale Moonlight" were right or at least reasonable in some way. From a moral and ethic point of view it was absolutely wrong, but at least you can actually understand why he did what he did and why he considered it necessary. He chose pragmatism and the need of the Romulans as allies over the moral code of the federation, and Garak only completed what he started, going the last steps Sisko himself probably wouldn't have gone.

-ENT is an underrated show. I started watching it right after having watched TOS and throughout the first two seasons it actually felt like watching a modern version of TOS. Most episodes are very ST-like and whereas ENT is not one of the best ST shows, it definitely earns its place among them.

-DIS is not unfitting as an ST show. It looks completely different than in the 60s, 80s and 90s (who would have thought?) and it follows a different approach than the classic shows (a serial instead of an episodic format), but all in all it definitely incorporates classic ST values and treats them well.

-Despite looking completely different than TOS which is set only about ten years later, DIS takes place in the Prime timeline, not the Kelvin timeline.

I agree with quite a lot of this. I prefer early TNG to later TNG by a long shot. Final Frontier is a *GREAT* TOS movie, and the Marshall fanedit is perfection. And you nailed my feelings on ENT - I'm actually (verrry slowly) watching the show for the first time, and I see a lot of the "big three" in Archer/Trip/T'Pol - I could absolutely see it as a reimagining of TOS, the emotional human and the logical Vulcan both informing the Captain's decision making as the ship encounters frontier-like environments and boldly goes..... even T'Pol as a genderbent Spock would fit the modern aesthetic of reboots. I noticed it early on, with the three of them meeting for dinner in Archer's quarters, I think. I really like ENT so far, by the way.

To me, DSC is Prime, but after at time-line rewrite, post FC and ENT, where the Borg tech kick starts upgraded technology and a more prominent Section 31, and replaces the original TOS portion of the timeline, in the original Prime Universe.
 
"Starfleet is not a military organization. It's purpose is exploration."
Picard, "Peak Performance"


"Section 31 is not an intelligence organization. It's purpose is protecting the Federation."
Georgiou, SECTION 31 (Assuming that show will ever be made.)
 
That Axanar nonsense made me come this close to changing my username. But I didn't because that would suggest I give them legitimacy.
 
Although the Axanar mess may be part of why Garth of Izar isn't mentioned on the list of Most Decorated Captains that Saru views in Season 1 of DSC. Why give Alec Peters further fuel for a tantrum?
 
I never even thought they were involved in the battle to begin with. TOS made the whole event sound like some internal crisis that helped keep the Federation together so the fewer Klingons and external powers the better.
 
Had Shatner had a tighter script and a better effects company TFF might be a more popular Trek movie with the fandom. Some of it was his own fault but much of it wasn't. A lot of factors combined to make that movie flop at the box office and with fans.
 
Had Shatner had a tighter script and a better effects company TFF might be a more popular Trek movie with the fandom. Some of it was his own fault but much of it wasn't. A lot of factors combined to make that movie flop at the box office and with fans.

It was not horrible. It was mostly enjoyable. My main dislike? The cheap gags and the expense of the characters. There was a solid story there and you can see it.
 
Although the Axanar mess may be part of why Garth of Izar isn't mentioned on the list of Most Decorated Captains that Saru views in Season 1 of DSC. Why give Alec Peters further fuel for a tantrum?

In universe I just assumed he'd already gone nuts and the black mark on his record kept him from making that grade.
 
And STV also foreshadows Kirk's death.

"I always knew I'd die alone."

I told my wife about that dialogue after we watched GENERATIONS and it saddened her, despite her not wanting to watch TOS. Truthfully... that saddened me, too. :(
 
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