What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Coops]

And STV also foreshadows Kirk's death.

"I always knew I'd die alone."

I told my wife about that dialogue after we watched GENERATIONS and it saddened her, despite her not wanting to watch TOS. Truthfully... that saddened me, too.

I'm glad this has come up on the Unpopular Opinion thread because it's bugged me for years.
"I always knew I'd die alone"
Every time I watch Generations Kirk dies with Picard with him. Like, right in his face. Not alone. With someone else with him in his final moments.

Also, Shatner not a good actor? Pshaw, Stewart couldn't have done that last scene any better, it was perfect.

 

[tesral]

Also, Shatner not a good actor? Pshaw, Stewart couldn't have done that last scene any better, it was perfect.

Shatner does Shanter well. And yes that scene sucked. The movie had good scenes, that was not one of them, as a whole it was BAD. It left a bad taste in my mouth coming out of the theater,

 

[JamesRye]

My controversial take: There hasn't been a decent Star Trek movie since the first half of Generations.

 

[Farscape One]

I'm glad this has come up on the Unpopular Opinion thread because it's bugged me for years.
"I always knew I'd die alone"
Every time I watch Generations Kirk dies with Picard with him. Like, right in his face. Not alone. With someone else with him in his final moments.

Also, Shatner not a good actor? Pshaw, Stewart couldn't have done that last scene any better, it was perfect.

Not physically alone, no. But he just met Picard. I think what he means by alone is no one he cared about would be around him... Spock, McCoy, etc.

 

[Iamnotspock]

I'm glad this has come up on the Unpopular Opinion thread because it's bugged me for years.
"I always knew I'd die alone"
Every time I watch Generations Kirk dies with Picard with him. Like, right in his face. Not alone. With someone else with him in his final moments.

Kirk wasn't making some omniscient prediction with his "I'll die alone"; I don't think we were supposed to take away that this downbeat feeling had to be borne out, but rather the opposite: that it probably wouldn't be after all.

Kirk's arc in ST5 was about coming to realise that his crew mates, particularly Spock and Bones, were his family, having previously come to feel that the life of a Starfleet Officer was a lonely one. His journey was from a melancholy, "I knew I wouldn't die because the two of you were with me; I've always known I'll die alone [...] Other people [have families], Bones, not us", to:

"I lost a brother (Spock) once; I was lucky I got him back".
"I thought you said men like us don't have families?"
"I was wrong".

In a way though, yes, GEN was a backward step, with Kirk feeling restless about this again ("Sulu; when did he find time for a family?") and ultimately dying more-or-less alone, albeit in the presence of someone he'd just met.

 

[Qonundrum]

My controversial take: There hasn't been a decent Star Trek movie since the first half of Generations.

If you expect an argument from me, you'll be dreadfully disappointed. GEN could have been better, regardless of shoving in the TOS crew or not. It's the only film that comes close to Q's telling of what really awaits "out there", instead of mostly generic romps with Picard edging too close to "McClane in space". A 60 year-old genetically enhanced Khan I could believe, but not regular boring human Picard. Even Ebert and/or Siskel commented on "Insurrection" using what was joke fodder in the immediately preceding flick as a serious plot concept with defying Fleet orders. And Insurrection comes close to being a decent outing, even without its other problem of it playing safe by being unsure if it's all of Starfleet gone bad or if just one "evil admiral o' the week" is twirling the mustache but either which way ensuring all is hunkydorey in the end or its other problems dotted about...

But I digress. The TNG films being "blech" doesn't mean they don't have great individual scenes (IMHO)...

And STV also foreshadows Kirk's death.

"I always knew I'd die alone."

I told my wife about that dialogue after we watched GENERATIONS and it saddened her, despite her not wanting to watch TOS. Truthfully... that saddened me, too.

He and Picard weren't buddy buddy soulmates like how he was with Spock and McCoy, so one could arguably stretch "I'll die alone" to fit in that regard. But regardless of filmed ending, the original ditched one or the one used, it acts as if STV never existed. Which is what a lot of fans had in their headcanon at the time and for varying reasons... In tandem with the first ending, it's like they hated Kirk and all the other things "the fandom menace" would have said back in the day and probably did but didn't have an official title or even chewing gum membership perks yet.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"I've always known I'll die alone" was always a preposterous line, but that makes it perfect for TFF. Sorry, that might not be controversial.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I always took it as Kirk had a glimpse into his future at one point, not unlike Pike in Discovery season 2. So he knew how his story would end.

Then he died with Picard which, lets face it, wasn't entirely unlike dying alone

 

[1001001]

Kirk was alone when he “died” on the Enterprise B.

The Nexus just interfered.

 

[Coops]

Kirk was alone when he “died” on the Enterprise B.

The Nexus just interfered.

Dayum, quite right. That had never occurred to me before.

I'm not doing a new post but...... Generations is a great movie and I can put up with any plot issues (what movie doesn't have those?) just to see the TNG characters on that big screen, Kirk meeting Picard and the scenes where Malcom McDowell goes and Malcom-McDowells the crap out all proceedings.

 

[Xhiandra]

We all die alone.

 

[cooleddie74]

Neither Spock nor McCoy were with him when he died. So...you could interpret his premonition in different ways.

 

[Lord Garth]

Lorca should've smoked.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

And STV also foreshadows Kirk's death.

"I always knew I'd die alone."

Kirk wasn't alone. That bald British guy was with him.

Also, I will never understand why some fans put SO much stock in that line. Kirk wasn't psychic.

 

[Lord Garth]

He died saving the Enterprise-B, where he was alone.

Then he died again.

I'm having this awesome cake right now and eating it too. Well, not really. It's bread. But we'll pretend it's cake...

 

[Tim Thomason]

Kirk died thousands of times, alone, his body ripped apart molecule by molecule, inside of a transporter buffer.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Kirk wasn't alone. That bald British guy was with him.

Also, I will never understand why some fans put SO much stock in that line. Kirk wasn't psychic.

Plus he forgot that he had a brother, so why not that line as well?

 

[Oddish]

Seems like bromance is a virtual requirement for most Star Trek shows... bromance being defined as a close relationship between two guys who have no apparent same-sex orientation. It's love, but not erotic.

TOS: Kirk/Spock
TNG: Data/Geordi
DS9: Bashir/O'Brien
VOY: Tom/Harry
ENT: Trip/Malcolm or Trip/Archer
LD: Rutherford/Billups

I guess DSC is the exception, because it has romance (Stamets/Culber) instead of bromance.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Seems like bromance is a virtual requirement for most Star Trek shows... bromance being defined as a close relationship between two guys who have no apparent same-sex orientation. It's love, but not erotic.

TOS: Kirk/Spock
TNG: Data/Geordi
DS9: Bashir/O'Brien
VOY: Tom/Harry
ENT: Trip/Malcolm or Trip/Archer
LD: Rutherford/Billups

I guess DSC is the exception, because it has romance (Stamets/Culber) instead of bromance.

DISCO has soromance. Burnham/Tilly. Burnham/Georgiou.

 

[Swedish Borg]

Seems like bromance is a virtual requirement for most Star Trek shows... bromance being defined as a close relationship between two guys who have no apparent same-sex orientation. It's love, but not erotic.

TOS: Kirk/Spock
TNG: Data/Geordi
DS9: Bashir/O'Brien
VOY: Tom/Harry
ENT: Trip/Malcolm or Trip/Archer
LD: Rutherford/Billups

I guess DSC is the exception, because it has romance (Stamets/Culber) instead of bromance.

No same-sex orientation... that we know of.