Welcome to the 25th Century!

[Tom]

The Picard show is set to take place in 2399. So we are right at the dawn of the 25th century. What do you think it will be like for the Federation and other species. We know Romulus will be gone, but I'm sure there are still plenty of stray Romulans around to make things interesting.

This is exciting, because for the first time in about 19 years we get into an era that is a clean slate, we know almost nothing about (unlike the prequels) . I think this period is going to much more grittier than we saw in TNG/DS9/VOY. What do you think?

 

[Seven of Five]

Yeah this has always been my bugbear with prequels. I really like Discovery and the Kelvin films, but I prefer going forward where the story hasn't been yet.

 

[Crazyewok]

The Picard show is set to take place in 2399. So we are right at the dawn of the 25th century. What do you think it will be like for the Federation and other species. We know Romulus will be gone, but I'm sure there are still plenty of stray Romulans around to make things interesting.

This is exciting, because for the first time in about 19 years we get into an era that is a clean slate, we know almost nothing about (unlike the prequels) . I think this period is going to much more grittier than we saw in TNG/DS9/VOY. What do you think?

I dunno about gritty.

We have Discovery and S31 for that.

I am a huge fan of dark trek and look forward to the S31 series.

However we should throw the "genes vision" crowd a bone and let them have a series. Let them have a old style episodic, no conflict and bright light trek.

 

[fireproof78]

I think this period is going to much more grittier than we saw in TNG/DS9/VOY. What do you think?

I'm not so sure about that, though I could see arguments for both. I am hoping for a lot more exploration in the 25th century, either going in to the Gamma Quadrant or in to previously unexplored Romulan territories.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm not seeing "gritty" for the Picard Series. It probably won't be "bright" either in the wake of the aftermath of the destruction of Romulus and taking Current Events into account. If the dawn of the 25th Century were like a Relationship Status, I'd say it'll probably be "It's Complicated".

If this were "100 years after TNG", it would probably be a Clean Slate. But it's just 20 years later. I think this might be the transition into a Clean Slate.

 

[Ovation]

However we should throw the "genes vision" crowd a bone and let them have a series. Let them have a old style episodic, no conflict and bright light trek.

I thought that was The Orville.

Actually, not wanting a grimdark Picard, but I do hope it’s a bit less...beige than TNG.

 

[ITDUDE]

So 25th century starts on Jan 1, 2401
Just because the series is maybe set for 3 seasons, does it mean it will go from 2399 to 2400 to 2401? Maybe it's last shot will be at end of 2400, ending 24th century
Perhaps 25th century should be for the next next generation

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm curious if they plan to show any kind of technological progression from 2257, now that they're retconned all eras of Treknology into the pre-TOS period.

 

[Tom]

Well 'Dawn of the 25th Century' as I see it. Maybe Picard gets drunk at the 2499 news years eve party. Prince's head in a jar sings "Party like its 2499!!"

 

[Tuskin38]

now that they're retconned all eras of Treknology into the pre-TOS period.

They haven't.

 

[F. King Daniel]

They haven't.

Please tell me what TNG has that Discovery hasn't?

 

[Tuskin38]

Please tell me what TNG has that Discovery hasn't?

More realistic holodecks and holograms, smaller communicators, faster warp engines, probably better weapons and computers. Isolinar chips instead of duotronics, smaller visors.

I'm sure there is more stuff I'm not thinking of. Their is a lot of tech in the federation.

 

[F. King Daniel]

More realistic holodecks and holograms

The Klingon ship simulation was just a realistic as anything else in Trek, as are the holographic mirrors.

smaller communicators,

Fair enough.

faster warp engines

Faster than the spore drive?

probably better weapons.

The exact same weapons? Phasers, torpedoes etc.

Isolinar chips instead of duotronics,

Meaningless babble.

smaller visors.

Or a different kind of visor. Much more prevalent cybernetic technology than seen before.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Klingon ship simulation was just a realistic as anything else in Trek,

We haven't seen anything as complicated as they showed in TAS and TNG.
Narrow corridors are hardly impressive.

The exact same weapons? Phasers, torpedoes etc.

Well the colours are different, they might mean a difference in the tech.

 

[F. King Daniel]

We haven't seen anything as complicated as they showed in TAS and TNG.

Narrow corridors are hardly impressive.

This is entirely supposition on your part. Like if I said the phaser in ENT probably had higher settings than we ever saw. It's meaningless with nothing to back it up.

 

[Tuskin38]

This is entirely supposition on your part. Like if I said the phaser in ENT probably had higher settings than we ever saw. It's meaningless with nothing to back it up.

And you have nothing to back up your point either.
What on screen evidence makes the Klingon corridor simulation as good as a TAS or TNG holodeck?

Faster than the spore drive?

Meaningless comparison since they're not the same tech.

 

[F. King Daniel]

And you have nothing to back up your point either.
What on screen evidence makes the Klingon corridor simulation as good as a TAS or TNG holodeck?

Looks the same to me. And with television being a visual medium, if they intended it to be less advanced they really dropped the ball.

Meaningless comparison since they're not the same tech.

They can go anywhere, anywhen, to any universe. Warp drive is obsolete until they knock out a reason not to use it again.

Also one could argue it's similar to the "Threshold" drive from Voyager. Retconned into pre-TOS.

 

[Tuskin38]

Also one could argue it's similar to the "Threshold" drive from Voyager. Retconned into pre-TOS.

Well that argument would have no backing because at "Warp 10" in threshold you were everywhere in existence at once, not jumping from point A to point B like with the Spore Drive.

Looks the same to me.

The simulations in 'The Practical Joker', and in 'Encounter at Farpoint' looked a lot more impressive, especially the TNG one, with it being open air, having a flowing stream, and trees moving with the wind and water that could get you wet.

A corridor is a static area, probably not very hard to simulate, and not a lot of physics to calculate, if any. There' no evidence that the simulation in DSC was as advanced as TNG.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Well that argument would have no backing because at "Warp 10" in threshold you were everywhere in existence at once, not jumping from point A to point B like with the Spore Drive.

Same result. And it works, so arguably more advanced.

The simulations in 'Practical Joker', and in 'Encounter at Farpoint' looked a lot more impressive, with it being open air, having a flowing stream, and trees moving with the wind.

A corridor is a static area, probably not very hard to simulate, and not a lot of physics to calculate, if any.

They made Klingons which looked 100% realistic. The hardest thing to emulate is people and not scenery, and they nailed it.

 

[Tuskin38]

Same result. And it works, so arguably more advanced.

They made Klingons which looked 100% realistic. The hardest thing to emulate is people and not scenery, and they nailed it.

They ran at them like idiots, with no evidence of any advanced AI.

If they ever show anything like Worf's combat programs, or AI that can hold conversations like in the 24th century programs, I'll agree with you. But as of now, nothing in that simulation looked 24th century to me.

Same result.

Nope.