Watched it a 3rd time -- it's great!!

[number6]

I don't think of that about myself and I don't know you so I can't answer to that however, based on the work I've seen from these writers, stupid is a bit harsh. Lazy would be closer.

There was no reason that they had to use the name Delta Vegas other than they thought it was "kewl". They chose to play in an extension of an already existing sandbox. They sprinkled in a bit of TOS flavoring to make it look like they were paying homage to what had come before. However, they missed an important ingredient, the soul of what thy were doing. We got a videogame version of Star Trek with bigger explosions and less characterization. They then dressed it up in something vaguely resembling Star Trek and sent it on it's way. And guess what? It was a big hit with the "It's a summer blockbuster. Park your brain at the door and just enjoy it " set.

It was also a big hit with people that loved the original show, brain fully intact. 40 years of Trek history has shown how writers will bend and even break the rules to accommodate the story they want to tell. Having another planet named Delta Vega is no exception, nor is how fast the Enterprise gets to Vulcan, or how long it takes to reach the center of the galaxy or how many ships are in the fleet or who Kirk suddenly knew as "an instuctor at the academy, or how long it takes the turbolift to get from deck 5 to the bridge.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

What do you NOT understand about obvious figurative statements? Do you really think that the writers, myself, and yourself are that STUPID?

Stupid may be to harsh a word. "Stubborn" may be more appropriate in the case of you and I. "Lazy" works for the writers. I'm simply interpreting what the writer literally was quoted as saying. He was asked if the planet was relocated, he replied in the affirmative. Had he replied that it was meant as an homage and that it wasn't really the same planet, my interpretation would be different.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

I don't think of that about myself and I don't know you so I can't answer to that however, based on the work I've seen from these writers, stupid is a bit harsh. Lazy would be closer.

There was no reason that they had to use the name Delta Vegas other than they thought it was "kewl". They chose to play in an extension of an already existing sandbox. They sprinkled in a bit of TOS flavoring to make it look like they were paying homage to what had come before. However, they missed an important ingredient, the soul of what thy were doing. We got a videogame version of Star Trek with bigger explosions and less characterization. They then dressed it up in something vaguely resembling Star Trek and sent it on it's way. And guess what? It was a big hit with the "It's a summer blockbuster. Park your brain at the door and just enjoy it " set.

Agreed.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

What do you NOT understand about obvious figurative statements? Do you really think that the writers, myself, and yourself are that STUPID?

Stupid may be to harsh a word. "Stubborn" may be more appropriate in the case of you and I. "Lazy" works for the writers. I'm simply interpreting what the writer literally was quoted as saying. He was asked if the planet was relocated, he replied in the affirmative. Had he replied that it was meant as an homage and that it wasn't really the same planet, my interpretation would be different.

However, his follow on sentece implied that the name recognition was more important, aka: an HOMAGE.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Yep. But when asked if the planet was moved, he said yes. That came before the second comment. He moved the planet because he thought the name would be recognizable. Why they changed the climate is still up for debate. Either way, Orci plainly stated that they moved the planet to suit their purposes. It can't get any clearer than that.

 

[M'Sharak]

My idea is no more convoluted than most of the pure stupidity that is Star Trek XI itself. So if I choose to concoct an outlandish theory to make the visuals and events in this movie fit with what I know of what was the Star Trek universe, so be it. You don't have to agree. And I really don't care if you do or not. You can follow JJA and his so-called writers like a good lemming, and I'll continue to think outside their very limited box. Thank you and have a good day.

Lemmings don't really do that, you know; they never have. That's even more a myth than the supposition that the words appearing beneath each of your posts actually date from the year claimed, or that those words constitute an unedited transcription of a single document written by TR.

Besides, you really ought to be able to discuss ideas (you've claimed that as your purpose for being here on more than a few occasions) without also making it personal by implying ("You can follow... like a good lemming") that another poster is following something to a literal or figurative doom, simply because they've declined to accept as being plausible or necessary an explanation you've proffered.

 

[kkozoriz1]

They moved it because it was "kewl", not because it made any sort of logical sense. Maybe they moved Vulcan into Venus' place in our solar system too. It would at least explain how they got there so fast. Or maybe it's a colony planet also called Vulcan. They all moved there except for 10,000 left behind as caretakers. That would make as much sense. After all, if they can move one planet, they can move any of them.

 

[ST-One]

They moved it because it was "kewl", not because it made any sort of logical sense. Maybe they moved Vulcan into Venus' place in our solar system too. It would at least explain how they got there so fast. Or maybe it's a colony planet also called Vulcan. They all moved there except for 10,000 left behind as caretakers. That would make as much sense. After all, if they can move one planet, they can move any of them.

Yes, for those of us who like TOS the mentioning of name 'Delta Vega' is actually 'kewl'.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Are you saying that the reverse is true? That those who didn't think it was "kewl" don't like TOS?

 

[I-Am-Zim]

My idea is no more convoluted than most of the pure stupidity that is Star Trek XI itself. So if I choose to concoct an outlandish theory to make the visuals and events in this movie fit with what I know of what was the Star Trek universe, so be it. You don't have to agree. And I really don't care if you do or not. You can follow JJA and his so-called writers like a good lemming, and I'll continue to think outside their very limited box. Thank you and have a good day.

Lemmings don't really do that, you know, and they never have.

Yeah. I know. But it sounded good.

That's even more a myth than the supposition that the words appearing beneath each of your posts actually date from the year claimed, or that those words constitute an unedited transcription of a single document written by TR.

And yes, I know he wrote those words in 1919. I just haven't changed the date yet. I found the quote, liked it, and used it before I researched it. My bad.

Besides, you really ought to be able to discuss ideas (you've claimed that as your purpose for being here on more than a few occasions) without also making it personal by implying ("You can follow... like a good lemming") that another poster is following something to a literal or figurative doom, simply because they've declined to accept as being plausible or necessary an explanation you've proffered.

Point taken. But, I usually don't do that. I like to debate and have an intellegent conversation. Sometimes, I get to the point where I've had enough. It happens. In the future, I will learn to govern my passions. They may be my undoing.

 

[ST-One]

Are you saying that the reverse is true? That those who didn't think it was "kewl" don't like TOS?

What the fuck?!

 

[kkozoriz1]

Yes, for those of us who like TOS the mentioning of name 'Delta Vega' is actually 'kewl'.

You're saying people who Like TOS thought it was "kewl" . I'm simply asking if the reverse is true? If you like TOS do you HAVE to think it was "kewl"?

 

[ST-One]

Yes, for those of us who like TOS the mentioning of name 'Delta Vega' is actually 'kewl'.

You're saying people who Like TOS thought it was "kewl" . I'm simply asking if the reverse is true? If you like TOS do you HAVE to think it was "kewl"?

O for the love of god! No wonder you can take 'we moved the planet' as something that is meant literally.

To answer your... odd question: No.

 

[kkozoriz1]

You're saying "those of us who like TOS". Not some of us. Not you can like TOS. You're saying that if you like TOS you think it's "kewl".

 

[ST-One]

You're saying "those of us who like TOS". Not some of us. Not you can like TOS. You're saying that if you like TOS you think it's "kewl".

No.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Kewl

 

[OneBuckFilms]

My idea is no more convoluted than most of the pure stupidity that is Star Trek XI itself. So if I choose to concoct an outlandish theory to make the visuals and events in this movie fit with what I know of what was the Star Trek universe, so be it. You don't have to agree. And I really don't care if you do or not. You can follow JJA and his so-called writers like a good lemming, and I'll continue to think outside their very limited box. Thank you and have a good day.

Lemmings don't really do that, you know, and they never have.

Yeah. I know. But it sounded good.

That's even more a myth than the supposition that the words appearing beneath each of your posts actually date from the year claimed, or that those words constitute an unedited transcription of a single document written by TR.

And yes, I know he wrote those words in 1919. I just haven't changed the date yet. I found the quote, liked it, and used it before I researched it. My bad.

Besides, you really ought to be able to discuss ideas (you've claimed that as your purpose for being here on more than a few occasions) without also making it personal by implying ("You can follow... like a good lemming") that another poster is following something to a literal or figurative doom, simply because they've declined to accept as being plausible or necessary an explanation you've proffered.

Point taken. But, I usually don't do that. I like to debate and have an intellegent conversation. Sometimes, I get to the point where I've had enough. It happens. In the future, I will learn to govern my passions. They may be my undoing.

In the case of our mutual debate, you are deliberately misreading, by absolute literal interpretation, at the expense of a larger picture that provides propor context, the statements of the writers, to "prove" your point.

If you cannot accept that a figurative movement of a planet, due to the significance of it's name, as an obvious Homage to the original series (aka an "easter egg for us fans"), is indeed figurative, or recognize it as such in context, then I submit a degree if irrationality with your take on the matter.

Faulty logic will invariably lead to a faulty conclusion.

 

[number6]

Or the faulty premise that those who loved the film are mindless lemming.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

Or the faulty premise that those who loved the film are mindless lemming.

Indeed.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

In the case of our mutual debate, you are deliberately misreading, by absolute literal interpretation, at the expense of a larger picture that provides propor context, the statements of the writers, to "prove" your point.

If you cannot accept that a figurative movement of a planet, due to the significance of it's name, as an obvious Homage to the original series (aka an "easter egg for us fans"), is indeed figurative, or recognize it as such in context, then I submit a degree if irrationality with your take on the matter.

Faulty logic will invariably lead to a faulty conclusion.

Or perhaps it is you who is deliberately misreading because you can't accept that they deliberately changed something that was established simply because they could. Orci literally stated that they moved the planet to suit their purposes. Not that they used the name for another planet.

Edit: Actually, if you wanna get technical, he confirmed it three times. When asked if they fudged canon by relocating DV, Orci said - 1: "True", 2: "Yeah we did.", and 3: "We moved the planet to suit our purposes."

So yeah, it's the same planet according to Roberto Orci, one of the guys who wrote the movie.