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Was TNG less progressive than TOS?

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I rejected Geordi's blindness becuse it was ridiculous, and likewise homosexuality or transgenderism... it doesn't seem like they will exist once we find the cause and the cure.
That's a disgusting, harmful, ignorant, and shameful set of words and ideas.

Thankfully, there's a cure for such ignorance. And people are finding it every day. It's called knowledge. Oh! And empathy, too. :techman:
 
Yes, TOS was more "progressive" although I don't care for that word. I also don't care for "outdated" either. Roddenberry wanted to show a future where all the world's people have put aside their differences and now get along for a common cause. He never wanted to show human v.s human conflicts. Such things would not exist in Roddenbery's future. He never meant Star Trek to be... i can't find the right words... a sideshow for the SJWs, so they can feel superior to others.



400 years from now, there probably will be no baldness, and no blindness, and no "disabilities". And likewise, no gender, sexual or reproductive dysfunctions, either. I rejected Geordi's blindness becuse it was ridiculous, and likewise homosexuality or transgenderism... it doesn't seem like they will exist once we find the cause and the cure. in 400 years they will probably be able to take a few cells from your body and clone any organ you need replaced, or possibly repair the damaged organs in place with no surgery. Genetic defects or hormonal imbalances that affect the mother and/or the unborn child will probably be detected and fixed during routine checkups during pregnancy... so some social justice causes make litte sense to me in the context of Star Trek.

And Tasha was terrible in that role.
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While I don't personally agree with his position, isn't this exactly the place for his notions? Being a discussion site.

Otherwise the TrekBBS would become nothing but a echo chamber.
Some opinions, especially the opinion of eradicating an entire class of people, are not worse discussing. It's not censorship, it's having standards. We don't tolerate racism, we don't tolerate sexism, why should we tolerate homophobia and transphobia? There are lot of things worth debating, whether or not an entire class of humans should be allowed to exist is not one of them nor should it ever be. If you want to discuss it, you can find that elsewhere on the internet. It has no place on a message board centered on a franchise about how great it would be if all of humanity for over their bigotry, worked with aliens, and explored the galaxy.
 
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You forgot ableism
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Um, what?

Will there be cures for red hair and left handedness, too?

What makes you think a "cure" is needed at all. What is needed is acceptance of the normality of diverse orientations and expressions. Please keep your regressive notions elsewhere.

Humanity would be meaningless if this jmidnight_whatever got what he proposes.

Humanity would be more fulfilled and prosperous with blind folks and people with Down Syndrome walking around.


And I absolutely hope there’s at least a colony for Deaf folks. There’s no reason not to have one...

As already mentioned, they can't be cured because there is nothing to cure. Meanwhile, I do hope there is someday a cure for bigotry.

The term "SJW" did not exist when Roddenberry was alive.


So in your version of the 24th century, nobody ever gets sick with some exotic or unknown ailment, nobody ever has accidents, nobody gets a really horrible genetic draw that can't be fixed, and I really don't want to know what you would advocate doing to the people who can't possibly match your notion of "acceptability" much less perfection.

Same-sex attraction and relationships exist in many species. Are you advocating a "cure" for them as well? :vulcan: As an example: Without same-sex penguin couples, an awful lot of chicks would die because one or both of their genetic parents are killed and they still have to be fed - something that can be done by either male or female penguins, and nurturing the young is something that seems to be hardwired into the vast majority of adult penguins regardless of whether or not they actually mate and produce their own offspring.

What other minority traits do you advocate "curing"? For instance, I'm a night owl. I function best at night, rather than in the day (at least the mornings; my normal wake time is early afternoon). I remember being told in the hospital, "We'll get you straightened out back to normal" and they (the nurses) couldn't wrap their minds around the fact that for me (and my dad), being a night owl IS normal. Far too many people consider night owls to be "lazy" but the fact is that we live and work the same number of hours as everyone else - just at a different time than they do.


What role did Tasha play? Are you talking about her being the security chief, or are you talking about the actress, Denise Crosby?


You brought up an analog that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I have no idea what "tech" I'm supposed to brush up on. It's not a sin to be unfamiliar with Atari and Playstation.


In the vast majority of the TNG episodes, Picard and Riker are the 1%, but are too wrapped up in their I'm-so-superior bubbles to understand that.

That's a disgusting, harmful, ignorant, and shameful set of words and ideas.

Thankfully, there's a cure for such ignorance. And people are finding it every day. It's called knowledge. Oh! And empathy, too. :techman:

Some opinions, especially the opinion of eradicating an entire class of people, are not worse discussing. It's not censorship, it's having standards. We don't tolerate racism, we don't tolerate sexism, why should we tolerate homophobia and transphobia? There are lot of things worth debating, whether or not an entire class of humans should be allowed to exist is not one of them nor should it ever be. If you want to discuss it, you can find that elsewhere on the internet. It has no place on a message board centered on a franchise about how great it would be if all of humanity for over their bigotry, worked with aliens, and explored the galaxy.

Ignorance is a two way street, my dear SJWs. A little internet research might teach you about the chemical poisions in our environment that are called endocrine disruptors, and how they affect mammals. It's quite eye opening. Dig deep. This is where your outrage should be, not because there is a debate over which toilet someone should use or what pronoun to call them. And... also... did I mention that I was gay? I used to really love it when they called it a "lifestyle choice". If I had a choice, it would have been a wife and kids.
 
Ignorance is a two way street, my dear SJWs. A little internet research might teach you about the chemical poisions in our environment that are called endocrine disruptors, and how they affect mammals. It's quite eye opening. Dig deep. This is where your outrage should be, not because there is a debate over which toilet someone should use or what pronoun to call them. And... also... did I mention that I was gay? I used to really love it when they called it a "lifestyle choice". If I had a choice, it would have been a wife and kids.
You can be upset over multiple things at once. Most human brains are capable of holding several thoughts at once. So one can be upset over how pollution affects humans, how LGBTQ people are treated in our society and how certain governments try to legislate them out of existence, how racial minorities are treated, and a host of other things. Also I don't care that you're gay, that has nothing to do with your desire to claim they were eradicated by medical means in the future of Star Trek. You seem to have a lot of self-hatred, you should seek therapy. Hating yourself for being gay isn't healthy. Gay people can have children, so that isn't impossible. Learn to accept yourself, spending your wallowing in self-hate and a desire to change who you are isn't a fulfilling life.


Also being gay does not give you a pass on homophobia. Just like being trans doesn't mean you the right to be transphobic or being a certain race gives you the right to be racist against yourself. No one gets a free pass on bigotry. It's absurd to think that.
 
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Ignorance is a two way street, my dear SJWs. A little internet research might teach you about the chemical poisions in our environment that are called endocrine disruptors, and how they affect mammals. It's quite eye opening. Dig deep. This is where your outrage should be, not because there is a debate over which toilet someone should use or what pronoun to call them. And... also... did I mention that I was gay? I used to really love it when they called it a "lifestyle choice". If I had a choice, it would have been a wife and kids.

Ah yes pseudoscience! The resort of a person grasping at straws as a means to prove their point. And also the weapon of the snake oil salesman and celebrities who believe vaccines cause autism.
 
and how they affect mammals.

As others have already said; pseudo science.

Plus, Penguins aren't mammals, darling. And they are not the only birds that form homosexual relationships.

Personally, I find that being gay gives me some advantages (as an example, I'll never face the issue of having accidently sired a child I might not be able to provide for). And I can marry and I am able to adopt children that desperately need a home and parents.
The only disadvantages to being gay is the intolerance we face. If I was given he choice, I'd, personally, choose to be/remain gay, for many reasons.
Plus you know...Bisexuals exist. And that behaviour might be more widespread than most people think or like to admit.

And even if there was a way to prevent a person from being gay...what would be the point of that? The only thing a heterosexual person can more easily do than a homosexual one is producing children, and we have more than enough humans on the planet. It's not necessary for every person to produce biological offspring.
 
Ignorance is a two way street, my dear SJWs. A little internet research might teach you about the chemical poisions in our environment that are called endocrine disruptors, and how they affect mammals. It's quite eye opening. Dig deep. This is where your outrage should be, not because there is a debate over which toilet someone should use or what pronoun to call them. And... also... did I mention that I was gay? I used to really love it when they called it a "lifestyle choice". If I had a choice, it would have been a wife and kids.

I’ll let others point out the pseudo science and the legal stuff, I’m just fascinated by “ignorance is a two way street.” What does that even mean? I get ignorant and becoming educated about something, but the other way, ie, the two way part. Like, I start educated and become ignorant? How does that work? Do I unread something? Purposely forget? How does it work!?
 
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