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Was TNG less progressive than TOS?

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It implies Flotter has been around in holographic form for 40 years.

Why would she mention it? Seems an odd comment to make.
Try extrapolation: "I enjoyed Flotter programs when I was Naomi's age, but they weren't as technologically sophisticated as they are now."

Or something like that. It's the sort of thing Janeway would say.

Whichever way you look at it, my own opinion of Flotter is that while its purpose is to teach kids to get along and cooperate to solve problems, the characters and setting are... unappealing, and not something I would have cared for as a child.
 
Try extrapolation: "I enjoyed Flotter programs when I was Naomi's age, but they weren't as technologically sophisticated as they are now."

Or something like that. It's the sort of thing Janeway would say.
She might have, but never did in the episode. Instead she recalled what she did while playing it.
 
So pretty much everybody here probably knows that I don't care much for TOS. But lately I have been thinking about something in regards to both the original show and TNG. Yes, TOS is very outdated... Now let's compare that to TNG, created in the 1980s, when things should have been a lot more advanced you'd think

Yes, TOS was more "progressive" although I don't care for that word. I also don't care for "outdated" either. Roddenberry wanted to show a future where all the world's people have put aside their differences and now get along for a common cause. He never wanted to show human v.s human conflicts. Such things would not exist in Roddenbery's future. He never meant Star Trek to be... i can't find the right words... a sideshow for the SJWs, so they can feel superior to others.

Well, TNG had Geordi as a representative of those with disabilities, so I would say that would be progressive. And Tasha was on the show initially, in a position that is usually reserved for men. As for gays, there was those skants that some of the crew wore, before everyone wore pants. Which is supposed to suggest that members of the crew were gay.

400 years from now, there probably will be no baldness, and no blindness, and no "disabilities". And likewise, no gender, sexual or reproductive dysfunctions, either. I rejected Geordi's blindness becuse it was ridiculous, and likewise homosexuality or transgenderism... it doesn't seem like they will exist once we find the cause and the cure. in 400 years they will probably be able to take a few cells from your body and clone any organ you need replaced, or possibly repair the damaged organs in place with no surgery. Genetic defects or hormonal imbalances that affect the mother and/or the unborn child will probably be detected and fixed during routine checkups during pregnancy... so some social justice causes make litte sense to me in the context of Star Trek.

And Tasha was terrible in that role.
 
Yes, TOS was more "progressive" although I don't care for that word. I also don't care for "outdated" either. Roddenberry wanted to show a future where all the world's people have put aside their differences and now get along for a common cause. He never wanted to show human v.s human conflicts. Such things would not exist in Roddenbery's future. He never meant Star Trek to be... i can't find the right words... a sideshow for the SJWs, so they can feel superior to others.

Well and I don't care for the word "SJW" ;)
Expecting a modern show set in the future to have a cast that isn't 90% white, hetero cis men is not about "a sideshow" or "feeling superior to others".
I won't even dignify to address what you wrote in the second and we probably shouldn't anyway lest the thread be locked.
 
I rejected Geordi's blindness becuse it was ridiculous, and likewise homosexuality or transgenderism... it doesn't seem like they will exist once we find the cause and the cure.
What makes you think a "cure" is needed at all. What is needed is acceptance of the normality of diverse orientations and expressions. Please keep your regressive notions elsewhere.
 
I have no experience with either of those.

But you're still comparing things that are not the same. I'm talking about the 1701 being "the best" of the 12 starships that existed at that time.

You brought up the holodeck specifically, I brought up an analog to it. Might take a moment to brush up on tech, it never hurts.
 
He never meant Star Trek to be... i can't find the right words... a sideshow for the SJWs, so they can feel superior to others.[/url]
There was literally an entire episode in the first season about the crew acting smug and superior to people from the 20th century for being obsessed with money, among other things. I mean, the Romulans showed up to flex a bit too, but it was mostly Bernie Picard and Riker Maddow sticking it to the 1%. ;)
there probably will be no baldness, and no blindness, and no "disabilities". And likewise, no gender, sexual or reproductive dysfunctions, either.
Worst rendition of 'Imagine' ever.
likewise homosexuality or transgenderism... it doesn't seem like they will exist once we find the cause and the cure.
There is no cure to find, because there is nothing to cure.
 
Humanity would be meaningless if this jmidnight_whatever got what he proposes.

Humanity would be more fulfilled and prosperous with blind folks and people with Down Syndrome walking around.


And I absolutely hope there’s at least a colony for Deaf folks. There’s no reason not to have one...
 
...so some social justice causes make litte sense to me in the context of Star Trek.

The 24th century is a backdrop, the stories are about 20th/21st century humans, ones that the viewers can connect with. The whiz bang was just a distraction to get audiences to watch social justice warriors, going all the way back to TOS.
 
Yes, TOS was more "progressive" although I don't care for that word. I also don't care for "outdated" either. Roddenberry wanted to show a future where all the world's people have put aside their differences and now get along for a common cause. He never wanted to show human v.s human conflicts. Such things would not exist in Roddenbery's future. He never meant Star Trek to be... i can't find the right words... a sideshow for the SJWs, so they can feel superior to others.
The term "SJW" did not exist when Roddenberry was alive.

400 years from now, there probably will be no baldness, and no blindness, and no "disabilities". And likewise, no gender, sexual or reproductive dysfunctions, either. I rejected Geordi's blindness becuse it was ridiculous, and likewise homosexuality or transgenderism... it doesn't seem like they will exist once we find the cause and the cure. in 400 years they will probably be able to take a few cells from your body and clone any organ you need replaced, or possibly repair the damaged organs in place with no surgery. Genetic defects or hormonal imbalances that affect the mother and/or the unborn child will probably be detected and fixed during routine checkups during pregnancy... so some social justice causes make litte sense to me in the context of Star Trek.
So in your version of the 24th century, nobody ever gets sick with some exotic or unknown ailment, nobody ever has accidents, nobody gets a really horrible genetic draw that can't be fixed, and I really don't want to know what you would advocate doing to the people who can't possibly match your notion of "acceptability" much less perfection.

Same-sex attraction and relationships exist in many species. Are you advocating a "cure" for them as well? :vulcan: As an example: Without same-sex penguin couples, an awful lot of chicks would die because one or both of their genetic parents are killed and they still have to be fed - something that can be done by either male or female penguins, and nurturing the young is something that seems to be hardwired into the vast majority of adult penguins regardless of whether or not they actually mate and produce their own offspring.

What other minority traits do you advocate "curing"? For instance, I'm a night owl. I function best at night, rather than in the day (at least the mornings; my normal wake time is early afternoon). I remember being told in the hospital, "We'll get you straightened out back to normal" and they (the nurses) couldn't wrap their minds around the fact that for me (and my dad), being a night owl IS normal. Far too many people consider night owls to be "lazy" but the fact is that we live and work the same number of hours as everyone else - just at a different time than they do.

And Tasha was terrible in that role.
What role did Tasha play? Are you talking about her being the security chief, or are you talking about the actress, Denise Crosby?

You brought up the holodeck specifically, I brought up an analog to it. Might take a moment to brush up on tech, it never hurts.
You brought up an analog that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I have no idea what "tech" I'm supposed to brush up on. It's not a sin to be unfamiliar with Atari and Playstation.

There was literally an entire episode in the first season about the crew acting smug and superior to people from the 20th century for being obsessed with money, among other things. I mean, the Romulans showed up to flex a bit too, but it was mostly Bernie Picard and Riker Maddow sticking it to the 1%. ;)
In the vast majority of the TNG episodes, Picard and Riker are the 1%, but are too wrapped up in their I'm-so-superior bubbles to understand that.
 
What makes you think a "cure" is needed at all. What is needed is acceptance of the normality of diverse orientations and expressions. Please keep your regressive notions elsewhere.
While I don't personally agree with his position, isn't this exactly the place for his notions? Being a discussion site.

Otherwise the TrekBBS would become nothing but a echo chamber.
 
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While I don't personally agree with his position, isn't this exactly the place for his notions? Being a discussion site.

Otherwise the TrekBBS would become nothing but a echo chamber.

You should check out the fine print of this private website. The owners can choose to censor whatever they want as it’s a private entity and not the government. One is free to go elsewhere.
 
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