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Was Ron moore trek's greatest writer

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CaptJimboJones said:
or they happened to catch him at a very odd time when he was willing to make all sorts of wild statements

If it was fake, he would ask for the interview to be removed or he could sue, the interview is very real and I've seen other statements he made that aren't to far from those outbursts. In R Moore's Battlestar podcasts he admitted he sometimes drinks substantial quantities of scotch and absinthe. There is no excuse for the bad stuff he said about the Trek people but perhaps the interviewer caught him at a time when his blood alcohol levels were quiet high which made Ron ever more expressive, loud and egotistical.
 
Ron Moore was not Star Trek's greatest writer. Not even close. I was never really much of a fan of his work when it came to those oafish Klingons, neither on "The Next Generation" nor on "Deep Space Nine."

Jeri Taylor, on the otherhand, who gave women more roles and responsibilities outside of the traditional nurturing roles on her shows such as Crusher captaining a ship in that one Borg episode, and Troi achieving the rank of Commander to seeeing a Captain Kathryn Janeway command her own intrepid ship USS Voyager, she had a lot more to contribute and gave women a different perspective in viewing their favorite characters on the shows, rather than your traditional, male chauvenistic portrayal of female characters such as Leela the Dabo Girl, and such nonsense.

:rolleyes:
 
stj said:
I don't know anything about Roswell and Carnavale, but the others in my opinion are dreadful.

"Carnivale" is one of the greatest shows I have ever seen - go take a look and say that Moore got no talent!
 
Lope_de_Aguirre said:


"Carnivale" is one of the greatest shows I have ever seen - go take a look and say that Moore got no talent!

Carnivale was ok, it had great potential but was not very well executed, I was not to keen on the cast either, Clancy Brown, Michael J. Anderson and Clea DuVall were great but the rest were underperformers as they mostly looked like a badly cobbled-together impersonations of a Depression-era traveling carnies. The best thing about the show was a few good performances and the opening credits. Ron Moore didn't have much to do it this show, it was all Daniel Knauf and maybe inspired by Bergquist's work. Funny thing is rather than being grateful I remember Ron Moore shooting his mouth off about Knauf a few times.
 
stj said:I don't know anything about Roswell and Carnavale, but the others in my opinion are dreadful.
I was not impressed with Moore's contributions to Roswell. He took over as showrunner after its first season. Roswell was a show with an interesting premise and a good cast, but it was on somewhat shaky ground when Moore arrived. It really need an experienced person to put everything on an even keel, but Moore seems to have seen it as a blank slate with which he could indulge himself with his trademark "dark" stuff, without much regard for the show's established characters and audience.

For example, in one of the last episodes of the series, he has one main character (a sympathetic one) go on a murderous rampage, without much of a reason. By the next episode, he's fine. Moore basically trashed the character so he could write what he thought of as a cool episode.
 
I've thought about seeing Carnavale but since I already know Armageddon didn't take place in the Thirties, it doesn't seem urgent.

Moore does seem to have some strange ideas about mental illness. Waltz, Touching Evil, Gaius Baltar.

His main claim to infamy is still modern Klingons.

And his personal is still irrelevant to rating his writing ability, for good or ill. (Some people think he personally is great.)
 
stj said:

If you want to research a little, there's this six page "interview," mostly on Voyager, he put out about a year later, when he got the Roswell job. It was completely crazy and makes him look spiteful and dishonest. If I remember right, he even had some line blasting actors on DS9 about how they didn't understand the character he was writing for them!

Could you provide a link to this interview pretty please? I'm interested in reading it.
 
^^^I'm sorry, but I read this some time ago. The site was in the old computer's favorites.

Can someone else help?
 
Navaros said:
stj said:

If you want to research a little, there's this six page "interview," mostly on Voyager, he put out about a year later, when he got the Roswell job. It was completely crazy and makes him look spiteful and dishonest. If I remember right, he even had some line blasting actors on DS9 about how they didn't understand the character he was writing for them!

Could you provide a link to this interview pretty please? I'm interested in reading it.

It has been posted online a few times, if you dig around you can find it online in one of the archives on the trek websites
 
MattJC said:
Sharr Khan said:
or finding a new way to make to make something old or not executed correctly better

That's another problem I have with these remakes. The arrogance of the people thinking they can do a better job with an idea then the creators of said idea.
I hate that kind of disrespect. If these writers have that much confidence in their writing abilities, then they should have no problem coming up with their own stories and characters, instead of wasting time screwing around with someone elses creation and remaking it in their own image.


I apologize for going so far off topic with this.

Thinking you can do better than original BSG doesn't take arrogance, just basic competance.
 
If Moore is so competent, he'd have no trouble creating his own stuff and not using someone else's work as a crutch.
 
Maybe he just wanted to do it. And maybe Glen Larson just happened to agree, I don't know. That's enough for me. It's not as if Moore stole something. I'm glad they did NuBSG.
 
TheMasterOfOrion said:
Carnivale was ok, it had great potential but was not very well executed, I was not to keen on the cast either, Clancy Brown, Michael J. Anderson and Clea DuVall were great but the rest were underperformers as they mostly looked like a badly cobbled-together impersonations of a Depression-era traveling carnies. The best thing about the show was a few good performances and the opening credits. Ron Moore didn't have much to do it this show, it was all Daniel Knauf and maybe inspired by Bergquist's work. Funny thing is rather than being grateful I remember Ron Moore shooting his mouth off about Knauf a few times.

How much have you watched?!

GREAT played characters:
Samson
Justin
Hawkins
Lodz
Iris
Stumpy
Sofie

And most of the others are great, too!

Aside from The Sopranos it is IMO the greatest cast I've ever seen in a Show.

Moore SAID in an Interview that he was Showrunner in the first Season.
He is credited as writer in 2 Episodes and as Executive Producer in the whole first season.

I think If you like David Lynch (Twin Peaks, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire) or HBO (The Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Rome, Six Feet Under, Oz) than you will love "Carnivale" if you give it enough of a chance.

At play.com (worldwide free shipping) the RC2 PAL DVD sets of Carnivale are available for 36€/23£!

The RC1 DVD sets of Carnivale are also cheaper than usual at Amazon.com (55$)!

Amazon.co.uk is even cheaper (without shipping cost):
Season 1 18£/26,50€
Season 2 23£/34,50€
Both Seasons (1+2) 44£/65€ (including shipping)

!only Season 2 alone is cheaper at play.com - both seasons or season 1 is cheaper at Amazon.co.uk!
 
CaptJimboJones said:
stj said:
If you want to research a little, there's this six page "interview," mostly on Voyager, he put out about a year later, when he got the Roswell job. It was completely crazy and makes him look spiteful and dishonest.

I've read that interview, and I honestly wondered whether he was stoned or drunk when he gave it. He sounds utterly unlike himself - mean, bitter, and more than happy to stab former longtime co-workers in the back. He essentially said that everyone working on Voyager were hacks, including both writers and actors, and none of them "got it" the way that he did and they didn't recognize his brilliance. Now, he may indeed think this way and their even may be some truth to that, but no professional worth his salt is going to actually say that in public, at least not if he wants to keep working in Hollywood.

He also famously said that "Rick Berman hates Captain Kirk" which, as much as I often despise Berman's work, seemed like a ridiculous thing to say.

To my knowledge, no one ever responded to the things Moore said during the interview, and he and Brannon Braga, who he particularly blasted, seem to be big pals these days (just listen to their Generations commentary, they're like BFFs.)

So I tend to take that interview with a very large grain of salt. Either it's fake, or they happened to catch him at a very odd time when he was willing to make all sorts of wild statements that don't seem to hold up over time, given his professionalism otherwise.
For all of Moore's positives both on a personal level (from what's said about him, anyway) and on a professional level, the guy likes to talk about himself. And the shows that he has worked on, and himself. And he (very irritatingly) took at least one stab at Star Trek on virtually every podcast on the season 1 BSG DVD. Oh and he also liked to talk about himself too, and what he changed, and how it's better, and he made sure to remind me over and over again.

He's very, very often insightful in his interviews and podcasts, but there's also a substantial amount of hot-air with it. He kind of comes across to me as the type that wears his emotions on his sleeves, so it doesn't suprise me one bit that he'd publicly take a stab at his former co-workers.
 
Jonesy said:
For all of Moore's positives both on a personal level (from what's said about him, anyway) and on a professional level, the guy likes to talk about himself. And the shows that he has worked on, and himself. And he (very irritatingly) took at least one stab at Star Trek on virtually every podcast on the season 1 BSG DVD.
Define stab? He spoke the truth. It wasn't a stab. He pretty much told it how it was and how Trek is different to BSG. Considering how long he has worked on Star Trek it's not hard to see why he would talk about it and his work on both sci-fi shows.

Oh and he also liked to talk about himself too
For example? What did he like to talk about himself?
You never talk about yourself?

MattJC said:
If Moore is so competent, he'd have no trouble creating his own stuff and not using someone else's work as a crutch.
It sure as hell doesn't look like he took much from TOS besides the concept. Unlike some hack film makers who remake films scene for scene.
 
Vulcanian said:
Naw,


D.C. Fontana, Gene L. Coon, Manny Coto and Mike Sussman were better

:wtf:

how about "dante, shakespeare, douglas coupland, and harold robbins" -??

i like ENT too, but let's get serious. give coto and sussman a couple of decades, and they might be worthy of washing gene coon's underwear. and gene coon's been DEAD for 34 years.
 
I don't like to say who the 'greatest' is but he is without a doubt ONE of the greatest trek writers.
All one has to do is look at the amount he has written and compare it to one's personal favourites and there are many.
Also he has a great range of stories from Waltz, Yesterday's Enterprise and Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges et al. to the likes of our man bashir and take me out to the holosuite.
 
Moore didn't write "YE" on his own, he had Ira Behr, Michael Piller, Richard Manning and others helping him. It was a mass-joint effort.
 
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