The curse(?) of small universe syndrome

[Detached Nacelle]

So I'm not really sure what your impression of the "relaunch" era is based on.

To clarify I didn't say it applied to the entirety of the relaunch era, I don't want it to be misconstrued.

Voyager keeps the band together, yes on different ships but on a fleet together and takes them back to the Delta Quadrant for what feels to me like just a recapturing of the show and not actually pushing things for the characters forward.

Beverly returning again, Geordi as a captain but still chief engineer, Data's resurrection. It just doesn't wow me.

DS9 did things better but they even had O'Brien return to his old job on the second station if I recall.

Enterprise did things even better by breaking up the core cast and undoing the 10 year ensign injustice of TATV.

As I said though this is just talking about it falling flat to me, I am not excited or entertained by the decisions made by whoever was in charge of said decisions. It's about feelings which are inately irrational.

 

[Christopher]

Beverly returning again, Geordi as a captain but still chief engineer, Data's resurrection. It just doesn't wow me.

Strictly speaking, Data wasn't exactly resurrected. The "Data 2.0" in the novels is more an amalgam of the memories and personalities of Data and the Soong android and (I think) Lal, so he's more a distinct "offspring" than a resurrection per se. Which isn't that different from how Picard season 3 did it later on.

DS9 did things better but they even had O'Brien return to his old job on the second station if I recall.

The later books brought back O'Brien, but also took characters like Sisko and Kira in very different directions. It was hardly "getting the band back together."

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Voyager keeps the band together, yes on different ships but on a fleet together and takes them back to the Delta Quadrant for what feels to me like just a recapturing of the show and not actually pushing things for the characters forward.

Uninteresting though it may be to a reader, there are practical reasons to send someone who has been somewhere before on a new mission there - familiarity with the territory, good relationships with allies, firsthand knowledge of a foe's strategies.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Strictly speaking, Data wasn't exactly resurrected. The "Data 2.0" in the novels is more an amalgam of the memories and personalities of Data and the Soong android and (I think) Lal, so he's more a distinct "offspring" than a resurrection per se. Which isn't that different from how Picard season 3 did it later on.




The later books brought back O'Brien, but also took characters like Sisko and Kira in very different directions. It was hardly "getting the band back together."

My feelings on Picard season 3 are also well documented as are the return of Sisko.

Uninteresting though it may be to a reader, there are practical reasons to send someone who has been somewhere before on a new mission there - familiarity with the territory, good relationships with allies, firsthand knowledge of a foe's strategies.

True and it worked for me in STO, I felt the story was done better in that regard it had more purpose to me.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

That's a dangerous "lesson" to teach kids.

Probably so. I was quite indoctrinated how invincible religous characters could be as a kid, until the Martians incinerated the priest in THE WAR OF THE WORLDS. Even at 4:30 in the afternoon that moment sent chills down my young spine.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

The early Fantastic Four comics played fast and loose with the fourth wall a lot, having Lee & Kirby be characters in the book and having the FF read their own comic and answer reader letters.

True. I particularly remember the Thing complaining against the writers who correctly pointed out what a useless simp Sue Storm could originally be. It's arguably true that Sue, Jan Van Dyne and Jean Grey, being Stan Lee creations, shared a recurring helplessness in the old days.

 

[knightgrace]

The She-Hulk, is better looking in both forms than He-Hulk...

I like women with brains...

 

[Christopher]

My feelings on Picard season 3 are also well documented...

As are mine, but the way they brought Data back was one of the only things I liked about it, because it wasn't just a lazy reset button to restore the old status quo. And neither was what the novels did.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

As are mine, but the way they brought Data back was one of the only things I liked about it, because it wasn't just a lazy reset button to restore the old status quo. And neither was what the novels did.

My preference is for him to not be brought back at all, I dont really think there's any way I wouldn't find it lazy but everyone's got some plots that will just never click for them.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

If a writer likes a character, you need not resurrect them to have more of them, if by doing so it would cheapen their sacrifice, seem too contrived, or ruin the motivation of other characters.

Assuming you haven't portrayed too much of their lives to have any gaps in which to tell additional stories, you can go back and fill in the details from the past. Or if it's sci-fi/AU, you can continue their lives following a different sequence of events.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I don't have a problem with how Data was brought back in Picard season 3. In fact, in some ways I'm not even sure he's entirely the same being, if you know what I mean. But whoever he is, I decided that I liked him.

 

[Christopher]

My preference is for him to not be brought back at all, I dont really think there's any way I wouldn't find it lazy but everyone's got some plots that will just never click for them.

That would have been my preference too, but if it had to be done anyway, I'm reasonably satisfied with the way the novels and PIC did it, because it could've been done a lot worse.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I don't have a problem with how Data was brought back in Picard season 3. In fact, in some ways I'm not even sure he's entirely the same being, if you know what I mean. But whoever he is, I decided that I liked him.

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