Was Ron moore trek's greatest writer

[MattJC]

Sharr Khan said:
or finding a new way to make to make something old or not executed correctly better

That's another problem I have with these remakes. The arrogance of the people thinking they can do a better job with an idea then the creators of said idea.
I hate that kind of disrespect. If these writers have that much confidence in their writing abilities, then they should have no problem coming up with their own stories and characters, instead of wasting time screwing around with someone elses creation and remaking it in their own image.


I apologize for going so far off topic with this.

 

[pookha]

MattJC said:

Sharr Khan said:
or finding a new way to make to make something old or not executed correctly better

That's another problem I have with these remakes. The arrogance of the people thinking they can do a better job with an idea then the creators of said idea.
I hate that kind of disrespect.

really if you think about it coon didnt create star trek but he did something really great with it both as a producer and as a writer.

with the possible exception of bablylon five very few shows are the result of a sole creator by the end of their run.

and yes i know what you are getting at with the whole take the show and start it over thing but in a way tos did change after coon came in .
not as drastically but it is there.

 

[Plum]

UWC Defiance said:
Ellison by far, followed by Theodore Sturgeon.

I would reverse that, Sturgeon first, by far.

Norman Spinrad, Peeples, Fontana, Coone, and the host of top writers of the time certainly make the later TV fair less impressive. And hey, Gene Roddenberry is certainly just as good as Gene Coon and together they were golden.

However, I might say magnanimously that Ronald D. Moore is one of the last great writers for Star Trek along with Ira, Piller, and... ug, dare I include Braga for his time travel stuff? It was pretty good for the 80s.

 

[Starbreaker]

I don't know if he was the best because I never sat in on a writer's meeting, but from what I can tell he was certainly one of the best.

 

[drasche]

Baba101 said:
Let's see this he is mainly responsible for development of klingon culture. [...]

Good. From now on, I am going to worship that guy.

 

[Starbreaker]

The Shrine of Ron. Watch BSG in support!

 

[M'Sharak]

Baba101 said:
Was Ron moore trek's greatest writer?

No.

 

[Navaros]

No.

DS9 had a ton of great writers, don't see any reason to elevate Moore on a plateau above those colleagues of his. Fair to say he is on par with them in terms of his excellent DS9 work, although perhaps his writing was tempered by said colleagues to be a good deal better thanks to their input than it actually would have been on it's own. I would say DS9 is much more greatly written than Moore's BSG show is, probably for that very reason.

Although reviewing his writing credits before making this post led me to discover Moore did indeed write some of Trek's very best episodes, like In the Cards and Rocks and Shoals.

 

[Cyrus]

Ron Moore is a heck of writer and he was the best writer of the trek spin-off shows. Like many of the writers sometimes he didn't get screen credit for some of his best work (e.g. DS9's In the Pale Moonlight).

 

[Anwar]

Same with Michael Piller, he didn't get on-screen credit for working on "Yesterday's Enterprise", even though it was his policy of accepting scripts from otuside the writing staff that created that episode.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

MattJC said:
This is off topic I know, but I have to admit to having some contempt for him for being involved with a remake. I really wish these writers would come up with something ORIGINAL.

Probably some of Shakespeare's contemporaries said the same - all of his "reimaginings" of stuff like Bandello's "History of Romeo and Juliet" were pretty lame.

 

[Plum]

Let's hope Ron doesn't get his hands on Beau Geste.

Further... considering all the remakes Hollywoodland has inflicted on us I commend Ron Moore for having the guts to make something new and dramatic instead of rehashing a shitty old TV show. nuBSG is terrific.

Hope the Trek people are paying attention! Oh, they are *whew*, that's good news.

 

[MattJC]

Yeah, if you think melodrama is great, then nuBSG is the best thing on TV.

 

[Plum]

DS9 was a melodrama... I think it's unfair to say nuBSG is like that.

 

[M'Sharak]

Plum said:
Let's hope Ron doesn't get his hands on Beau Geste.

Couldn't possibly happen; they already made the last remake of Beau Geste.

 

[Plum]

^^^
reasonable.

Plum said:
DS9 was a melodrama... I think it's unfair to say nuBSG is like that.

Of course, the whole Apollo/Starbuck/Anders/Dee thing was a melodrama. It added to Starbuck being screwed up as a person, but mid season 3 is a melodramatic place... no question. However, I do think we have left that behind. This isn't like Kira/Odo (which was cute, but like syrup).

 

[CoveTom]

Was he an excellent Trek writer? Yes.
Was he Trek's greatest writer? No.

Do we need to rehash the list of all the fine writers who have graced the halls of Trek throughout the years? I can think of off the top of my head -- some of which have already been mentioned...

Ira Steven Behr
Gene L. Coon
Harlan Ellison
D.C. Fontana
Nicholas Meyer
Michael Piller
Norman Spinrad
Robert Hewitt Wolfe

I would put any of those on par with Moore. To pick one who's best? Wow, that would be tough, but there are definitely a few over the years who I would put ahead of Moore.

 

[MattJC]

Plum said:
DS9 was a melodrama... I think it's unfair to say nuBSG is like that.

You're right. NuBSG is MUCH worse.
On that show someone is always bitching at another person or pointing a gun at someone else for reason or another.
DS9, at least, tried to have a sense of humor and not tried to overdo the melodrama like nuBSG.

 

[Plum]

um... I see it as being completely the opposite. *shrug*

 

[Jack Bauer]

Certainly he was DS9's best writer. He was one of the best on TNG as well. But when you have big name sci-fi authors who wrote some great TOS episodes it's hard to say he was Trek's best writer. He's definitely up there though.