Wait, why is that character dead again..? And other Discovery questions

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by bryce, Dec 1, 2019.

  1. Jadeb

    Jadeb Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It’s funny that, outside of Burnham and Saru, the regular with the most development after two seasons is dead, and the development was crammed all in one episode just so they could kill her.
     
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  2. eschaton

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    I'm not sure I'd go that far. However, it is interesting that it is the sole case in the series where an entire episode was explicitly framed from a non-Burnham POV, and it was for a character who is now dead.

    I mean, why couldn't we get a Tilly POV or Stamets POV episode some time?
     
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  3. gblews

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    I disagree. I think Tyler, Culber, Stamets, Tilly to a somewhat lesser degree, and even Pike, have received more development than Ariam (if that's who you're referring to).
     
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  4. NCC-73515

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    That's what I meant.
     
  5. KennyClaus

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    May be a moot point if this snapchat from a location shoot is real.........spotted on a trailer at basecamp.

    Capture.JPG
     
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  6. DaveyNY

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    That kinda-sorta blows this whole thread outta the water.
    :techman:
     
  7. KennyClaus

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    My work here is done...........
     
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  8. eschaton

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    I really hope that that's some sort of inside joke on Sara Mitich's trailer.

    I mean, in principle I don't have any problem with bringing Airiam back. However, that would be the third time that Discovery has brought a character back from the dead. They've gone to the well on this too many times, and it will make me stop trusting any of the deaths within the series as being "real" - robbing them of their emotional impact.

    I mean, what's next? Are we going to have a cameo of PU Lorca somehow hanging out with MU Cornwell?
     
  9. DaveyNY

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    If 'stinky' (PU) Lorca is somehow 'hanging out', I'm pretty sure 'musical' (MU) Cornwell will just slap it back in his pants.
    :devil:

    (and then toss him naked into an agony booth)
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  10. Ar-Pharazon

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    Are we sure that isn't a picture from a previous season?
     
  11. eschaton

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    Hrrm, you're right. That's SMG's hair from last season. We know she has long braids in the new season.
     
  12. KennyClaus

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    That’s a sticker in SnapChat not anything in the actual photo.
     
  13. thribs

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    If that annoyed you just wait till you get to the finale. :)
     
  14. F. King Daniel

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    She is an android/cyborg/whatever, so I can see her taking the long road to the 32nd. Just not so sure how she survived not only dying in vacuum but having her memories deleted.
     
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  15. Ar-Pharazon

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    Every good computer has a backup somewhere, even Ariam....and dun-dun-dun Control...........
     
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  16. Alan Roi

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    Only Hugh was brought back from the dead. Mirror Universe Georgiou is a different version of a character who is still dead. IMO, neither took away from the deaths we watched and both actors brought a very different vibe and relationship to the characters they played later, changing character dynamics in different ways, as opposed to the many different 'ressurections' we've seen in previous Trek series, where each and every character who died and was brought back continued on after their revivals or returns without skipping a beat.
     
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  17. eschaton

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    If Airiam comes back, it will be the third time in three years that the writers decided "oops, we liked that actor/character we killed off, let's find some way to bring them back!"

    Mind you, it's happened before with Star Trek. TNG famously did it with Yar, and arguably did it with Spiner continuing to find ways to reprise Lore and Dr. Soong. DS9 did it with Weyoun, Martok, and several other characters via the MU episodes. VOY occasionally used alternate timelines and holograms to bring dead characters like Seska back.

    Still, it feels a bit different because those deaths and resurrections (or reprisals, recastings, whatever) were stretched out across seven-year shows with much longer seasons. If you kill a character and then effectively find some way to bring them (or at least the actor) back within a span of less than ten episodes, it doesn't feel like it's had that much impact. It also negates any attempt to pull off a Game of Thrones "anyone can die" vibe.
     
  18. KennyClaus

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    Seems like you missed one......minor character in TWOK/SFS.
     
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  19. 1.21 Gigawatts

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    Connolly's still dead. :)
     
  20. Alan Roi

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    You're bringing up the "Game of Thrones" vibe might carry more weight if that show didn't also make it a point of bringing back characters from the dead. And, just because many detractors have called Disco "Game of Thrones" in space, that doesn't mean it ever has been or was intended to be.

    There have been many times in Star Trek past that characters have been killed and brought back to life in the same or next episode/movie without taking a beat. IMO, killing off a character and bringing some version of that character or the actor a few episodes later can intensify the impact of the loss because, as exemplified in Disco as both 'returns' aren't the same. The Emperor isn't Georgiou, she's an amoral killer, new Hulber isn't old Hulber, and the complications twist the knife even harder on an emotional level while the memory of their death's is still fresh in the viewer's mind. If you kill a character and then bring them back several years later, what you are doing isn't negating the impact of the original death, sure, because by then everyone has forgotten it. What you are doing is hoping to capitalize on nostalgia, and the resurrection becomes an exercise in wish fulfillment. Neither 'returns' we've seen in Disco have been exercises in wish fulfillment.
     
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