Voyager season 2

[Sophie74656]

Laugh if you want to. I'm just happy to spread some joy into your life.
Obviously you do have a more weird humor than I have.

But explain this:
Kes was kicked out in the beginning of season 4.
In the coming episodes in seasons 4, 5 and 6 up to that insulting episode, those in charge of the show did all they could to make the fans forget that the character ever existed.
She was hardly mentioned, just once I think. The Hydroponics Bay was transferred into a Dracula's den for a potential hostile race and the food problem suddenly vanished. The Doctor all of a sudden had no need for a medical assistant and even the different Star Trek magazines which were around at the time acted as if Kes never ever existed.

So why did those producers suddenly bring her back-with the only purpose to ruin, destroy and finally kill off the character?

That doesn't make any sense.

The episode itself wasn't any part of any arc or ongoing event and it had no impact on the future episodes of the series. You could easily erase that episode from all further issues of DVD:s and Blue-Rays and no one would react. It was never THE episode of the series and it gave no fame and fortune to those who came up with that morbid, sick episode, no more than they already had.

So why make it? I don't think that they were so stupid that they imagined that the fans actually would LIKE the episode.

I'm sure that they made it only to "show the finger" to certain fans who wanted the character back. Why else would they come up with such crap?

Unfortunately for them, it misfired because they managed to annoy not only the fans of Kes but many other Voyager fans as well.

Except for that tiny fraction of fans who strongly hate the character but who cares about them?

Yea, I know all the words to this song

 

[cosmic mouse]

Well, to close out season 2 (and begin season 3) I watched Basics 1 & 2 last night and thought it was one of the strongest episodes to date. Seska is

Spoiler

was

a real piece.
I actually have more of an appreciation for the Kazon as villains now. Still think they look a little ridiculous (Heatmiser x Ent) , but they're aggressive and relentless as a enemies to counter our heroes.

Anyway, overall, I'd rate season 2 pretty highly. There were maybe one or two eps I didn't find all that memorable, but virtually all brought something to the table.

Not sure of the order, but my top 5 eps from s2 are:
Persistence of Vision
Alliances
Basics pt 1
Twisted
The Thaw

I'll be starting s3 in earnest soon and will probably continue with these threads since I'm getting some good feedback / comments.

 

[Sophie74656]

Well, to close out season 2 (and begin season 3) I watched Basics 1 & 2 last night and thought it was one of the strongest episodes to date. Seska is

Spoiler

was

a real piece.
I actually have more of an appreciation for the Kazon as villains now. Still think they look a little ridiculous (Heatmiser x Ent) , but they're aggressive and relentless as a enemies to counter our heroes.

Anyway, overall, I'd rate season 2 pretty highly. There were maybe one or two eps I didn't find all that memorable, but virtually all brought something to the table.

Not sure of the order, but my top 5 eps from s2 are:
Persistence of Vision
Alliances
Basics pt 1
Twisted
The Thaw

I'll be starting s3 in earnest soon and will probably continue with these threads since I'm getting some good feedback / comments.

Glad you enjoyed it. Keep going! The show just gets better and better, especially into season 4

 

[cosmic mouse]

Glad you enjoyed it. Keep going! The show just gets better and better, especially into season 4

I'm totally looking forward to it!

 

[Odonna]

I’m enjoying your reactions to watching the series from the beginning, Cosmic Mouse. I just re-watched the series myself. To throw in my 2 cents, my favorites from S2 are:

Persistence of Vision – creepy, mysterious alien race, and it gives us some insights into a few of the characters
Maneuvers – I liked this episode because it suggested that Chakotay might have actually been a competent guerilla fighter! I felt the whole Maquis element was woefully underdeveloped in the series as a whole.
Resolutions - among my favorites in the whole series. I love the idea of two people being marooned and trying to make the best of it. Mulgrew and Beltran are totally charming together. I agree the ending is “frustrating”, the idea that it’s all back to business on the ship.
This might be a spoiler (and I don't know how to mask it) to say the flirtation continued in a few later episodes. Some writers tried to get to a romance later, but it kept getting nixed without our seeing the characters ever talking candidly about their relationship. The squandering of the chemistry between these two actors/characters was among the biggest suicidal creative decisions of this series IMO.
Basics Part 1&2 – Once again I love the idea of people being marooned on a planet. And I like what they did with Lon Souter. A few unbelievable things like how incompetent the crew of Voyager was/ how easily the Kazon took the ship. And then how easily the Kazon immediately knew how to run all of its systems, even with Seska’s help. But overall pretty solid episodes.
Honorable Mentions:
The 37s – I liked the idea of finding past abducted humans, and the crew having to decide if they should just stay there. A problem I have with this episode, as well as with Tattoo and later on “Distant Origins”, is that aliens from 70,000 light years across the galaxy somehow found themselves on earth (or the opposite happens in DO).
Elogium – while a lot of the episode about Kes in heat and the mating space aliens is sort of embarrassing, I did like that they began to address the idea of their needing to become a generational ship. Too bad they didn’t take that more seriously.
Non Sequitur – It was an intriguing mystery to be solved, and the power of the Kim-Paris friendship was nice.
Twisted – An unbelieveable premise, but provided some good character interaction.
Tattoo - I want to like this episode that tells us something about Chakotay, but didn’t like giving the Central American tribe alien forehead ridges, and what I already said above.
Meld – Not crazy about the Tuvok story, but the idea of a murder aboard Voyager and then what do you do with the murderer was a great idea.
Investigations – A few scenes of Tom Paris’ bad behavior in previous shows led up to his going undercover here, and then Neelix almost getting himself killed as he tries to figure out who was the traitor.
Deadlock – Suspenseful episode of the ship & crew getting duplicated and the twist of who lives and who dies.

 

[cosmic mouse]

on Persistence of Vision, Odonna (and all of your 2 cents actually. Love the comments you gave on specific eps)...
Don't worry about the spoiler on the Janeway/Chakotay vibes. I have seen a few eps from later seasons (though I'm not sure any were from season 3) and I did like some of the mild chemistry that I observed between the two. I guess it was all for naught though (and I'll find out exactly how/why in the coming months as I continue on).

 

[Odonna]

Thanks, Cosmic Mouse! I'm looking forward to your comments on S3 as you work your way through.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Seska is

Spoiler

was

a real piece.

Spoiler

Not the last you'll see of her - 2 more episodes, both really good ones

 

[Lynx]

I consider Voyager's season 2 as the best of all Star Trek seasons.

 

[Refuge]

There were some really 'classic' episodes in Season 2, you often read people referring to Tuvix and Threshold even The Thaw , Death Wish and The 37s. I personally enjoyed The 37s for the car starting sequence alone and seeing Voyager in all her Intrepid Class glory land. Love it. Sometimes with an episode I like parts or elements that might not even be story telling. Even with story telling (as referred to earlier) much of Threshold was great (warp 10). Twisted was visually fun too and Persistence of Vision had a disturbing mood about it. It's hard not to think of Cold Fire as well because of that scene with Kes almost melting Tuvok and we get to foresee her abilities and get to meet up with Suspiria. Just writing that name then makes me wonder if we were supposed to be suspicious of her. Deadlock is a real stand out with the two ships and Resolutions for the Janeway and Chakotay relationship.

Season 3 has some good ones too. I like the second part of Basics. Flashback is a bit of a homage to old Trek. I never thought I would like it as much but Futures End (two parts) is pivotal. Macrocosm is a personal favourite. There's more, lol. Liked the fun of Worse Case Scenario.. Mixed feelings about Scorpion but it is a game changer.

 

[Paul Weaver]

• Barclay and the Pathfinder Project
  • "Pathfinder"
  • "Life Line"
  • "Inside Man"
  • "Author, Author"

Because of this thread I looked at S2 and watched Projections last night, been a long time since I saw it (might not have ever seen it). That had Barclay in it too (albeit as a hologram), so I'd be tempted to include that episode into the "Jupiter Station" arc (along with Dr Bashir I presume from DS9)

 

[Farscape One]

I wouldn't count those two as part of that arc. "MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE" and "HUNTERS" have more of a right to be there... the former episode where Starfleet first learns they survived, and the latter when Starfleet sends the letters.

Notice in "PATHFINDER", Barclay mentions they are 60,000 light years away, which would place that in that episode. Barclay had no way of knowing they got so far in two years.

 

[cosmic mouse]

I consider Voyager's season 2 as the best of all Star Trek seasons.

The best season from Voyager or the best single season from any Star Trek series in the franchise?

It's hard not to think of Cold Fire as well because of that scene with Kes almost melting Tuvok and we get to foresee her abilities and get to meet up with Suspiria. Just writing that name then makes me wonder if we were supposed to be suspicious of her.

I think I might go back and rewatch Cold Fire and then rewatch Dario Argento's Suspiria, which is a trippy flick about a witches' coven (in case you haven't seen it)...unless it's just a name coincidence (odd, imo) there's got to be something to that.

 

[Lynx]

The best season from Voyager or the best single season from any Star Trek series in the franchise?


I think I might go back and rewatch Cold Fire and then rewatch Dario Argento's Suspiria, which is a trippy flick about a witches' coven (in case you haven't seen it)...unless it's just a name coincidence (odd, imo) there's got to be something to that.

I consider season 2 of Voyager as the best season overall when it comes to Star Trek!

Why? Because almost all episodes are exciting and excellent. The only exception is "Threshold" and that episode isn't that bad compared to some episodes in the later seasons of Voyager. At least it's funny in some places and quite acceptable if you consider the adventures in the episode as a nightmare janeway had after eating too much of Neelix's food before bedtime.

If we compare with TNG which I see as an excellent series too, there were more bum episodes in each TNG season than there were in Voyager's season 2.

As for "Cold Fire", it's my all-time favorite episode of Star Trek!
Excellent, exciting and a bit spooky too.

 

[Farscape One]

Personally, I have to give DS9's season 4 as the best of all STAR TREK, with DS9 and TNG season 6 of each as a close second and third place.

 

[cosmic mouse]

I consider season 2 of Voyager as the best season overall when it comes to Star Trek!

Why? Because almost all episodes are exciting and excellent. The only exception is "Threshold" and that episode isn't that bad compared to some episodes in the later seasons of Voyager. At least it's funny in some places and quite acceptable if you consider the adventures in the episode as a nightmare janeway had after eating too much of Neelix's food before bedtime.

If we compare with TNG which I see as an excellent series too, there were more bum episodes in each TNG season than there were in Voyager's season 2.

As for "Cold Fire", it's my all-time favorite episode of Star Trek!
Excellent, exciting and a bit spooky too.

Well, that's certainly a ringing endorsement for season 2.. I agree to an extent, since most episodes entertained me fully, even with some flaws here or there. I plan on gradually watching the other series I haven't seen in full (all but TOS so far) and then I'll be able to make that comparison. It was actually kind of random that I started watching ST again with Voyager, but I really like it so far...

 

[Paul Weaver]

Watch a S2 episode again last night - Cold Fire. One thing that really stands out is the amount of needless technobabble. I wouldn't mind if the terms were used in multiple episodes, but it's rather jarring for one-off systems of the week.

 

[Lynx]

Watch a S2 episode again last night - Cold Fire. One thing that really stands out is the amount of needless technobabble. I wouldn't mind if the terms were used in multiple episodes, but it's rather jarring for one-off systems of the week.

The technobabble as such doesn't bother me in this episode because the events in this episode are so incredible exciting.
There are worse and more needless technobabble in some other episodes.

 

[cosmic mouse]

Watch a S2 episode again last night - Cold Fire. One thing that really stands out is the amount of needless technobabble. I wouldn't mind if the terms were used in multiple episodes, but it's rather jarring for one-off systems of the week.

The technobabble as such doesn't bother me in this episode because the events in this episode are so incredible exciting.
There are worse and more needless technobabble in some other episodes.

I just rewatched Cold Fire as well, mainly to try to pinpoint why the one character is named Suspiria. It seems to have no correlation to the film of the same name, but I did read that Suspiria means something like "whisper" or "sigh" and this may refer to the noise that is emanating near the beginning of the ep (when that Caretaker piece is reactivated).

Anyway, I agree on the technobabble, but I also agree with you, Lynx, that I have noticed it more in other eps... might just be my perception though.

 

[Sophie74656]

Watch a S2 episode again last night - Cold Fire. One thing that really stands out is the amount of needless technobabble. I wouldn't mind if the terms were used in multiple episodes, but it's rather jarring for one-off systems of the week.

A rather dissapointing episode. After searching for the female caretaker they find an evil little girl with the voice of an 80 year old chain smoker. Some possibly interesting things that came up in this episode, and some foreshadowing of some future events.