I thought the concepts were great, both warp 10 and the circular evolutionary tract, but the mode in which they chose to explore the concept was too remedial and concrete for my tastes... and a little too slimy.
Voyager season 2
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Rather ironic that "THRESHOLD" got the series an Emmy. For makeup effects, if memory serves me.
I liked twisted (wasn't that season 1, along with 37s), and I have a weak spot for episodes where we see earth so non sequitur was good. i liked deadlock too, and if memory serves there was a bit of a background arc with Tom in the middle of the season. TNG had a little bit of arcing (lore, klingons, sela), but I found the continuity refreshing, but not overbearing as it can be nowadays (you have to watch a series as a box set nowadays, but in the 90s it was rare that order mattered)
I liked Persistence of Vision .. it had a menacing tone to it.
This. There was so much to like about that episode.. the ending just got away from them.
Ah, that makes sense imo. The makeup effects were easily the most memorable part of the ep for me.
I watched The Thaw and Tuvix last night. The former was not fantastic, but I quite liked some of the ideas presented and creepy clowns are always, well, creepy. Michael McKean was excellent as the main clown, but he was even better in the X-Files episode Dreamtime... and I, henceforth, will now refer to this Voyager ep as "Killer Klowns From Outer Space". 
Tuvix was also pretty cool and I thought the finale sequence was fairly powerful, particularly Janeway's visual strife in the closing shot. That just felt so genuine to me; what a difficult decision that would be to make, but I agree with what happened. There were a couple of little things I didn't care for in this ep, but it was solid overall imo.
I'm almost finished with season 2 and I am really looking forward to starting season 3. I see there is a cliffhanger on the horizon as well.
Tuvix was also pretty cool and I thought the finale sequence was fairly powerful, particularly Janeway's visual strife in the closing shot. That just felt so genuine to me; what a difficult decision that would be to make, but I agree with what happened. There were a couple of little things I didn't care for in this ep, but it was solid overall imo.
I'm almost finished with season 2 and I am really looking forward to starting season 3. I see there is a cliffhanger on the horizon as well.
I really like both episodes.I watched The Thaw and Tuvix last night. The former was not fantastic, but I quite liked some of the ideas presented and creepy clowns are always, well, creepy. Michael McKean was excellent as the main clown, but he was even better in the X-Files episode Dreamtime... and I, henceforth, will now refer to this Voyager ep as "Killer Klowns From Outer Space".
Tuvix was also pretty cool and I thought the finale sequence was fairly powerful, particularly Janeway's visual strife in the closing shot. That just felt so genuine to me; what a difficult decision that would be to make, but I agree with what happened. There were a couple of little things I didn't care for in this ep, but it was solid overall imo.
I'm almost finished with season 2 and I am really looking forward to starting season 3. I see there is a cliffhanger on the horizon as well.
"The Thaw" is great, mostly because of The Clown. Due to my twisted sense of humor, I've always have had a certain fascination for "bad guys" who are evil but funny in some way and The Clown is one of those characters. Not to mention that the character looks and sounds a bit like Bruce Dickinson, lead singer in Iron Maiden.
"Tuvix" is a great episode which still brings up debates on this forum. Definitely one of the best Voyager episodes.
And just look forward to the cliffhanger "Basics". Another great Voyager episode!
I GOTTA HAVE MORE COW BELL!
Well, if another debate gets started up about Tuvix, then I'll join in. I felt pretty strongly that Janeway made the correct decision, but clearly there are no easy answers for that one.
I'm excited for Basics... love cliffhangers as season finales and I really enjoyed this season overall.
I agree with you about Janeway's decision.
I also agree that there are no easy answers here.
There are a lot of things to like about Season Two - although the same could be said about every season.
This is the season that involves quite a few episodes with the two main enemies of the first half of the show: the Kazon and the Vidiians.
The Kazon might have not been the best villain - the tree foliage they wear is certainly off-putting - but I usually enjoy everything they are in. Not to a small degree because of Seska, who is a great villain, perhaps the best on the show. As you will soon see, she is full of surprises.
The Vidiians were a great enemy and there are a lot of ethical/moral dilemmas related to their problem. A little more could have been done with them perhaps but they gave us my second fav ep of the entire show: DEADLOCK. That ep is a gem in my book and Janeway is at her best when she "welcomes" the Vidiians to the Bridge.
After you've finished BASICS you'll find that the role of the Kazon and the Vidiians will diminish but we'll see them here and there. Although from Season Three on the show will focus on other things.
Related to the Kazons is also the story arc of Seska-Jonas-Tom, which is the only real arc in Voyager and that was also an exciting one I thought. Tom fit so naturally into his role - but when doesn't he?
Season Two is also special for me because there isn't a single episode here that I don't like or that I would be bored with. I think I find that Season Four is the best season but on that season alone there are two episodes I'm not so keen on ... so in this sense Season Two is the winner in my book.
Enjoy BASICS and let us know how you liked that one. As well as RESOLUTIONS - that's a beautiful one, esp. if someone is a J/C fan.
Well I would strongly disagree about that being the only arc. It was an obvious one yes, but there are many other arcs over the course of the show (unless your definition of arc involves back to back episodes)
Well, I'll get back to you on Basics, but I did watch Resolutions last night and liked it, but didn't love it.
Even though I'm female I normally don't go in for the "shipping" stuff (I think that's the term? maybe it doesn't apply here), although I do appreciate some of the romantic tension between the 2 characters (and Chakotay is HOT, ha ha). I had kind of mixed feelings about this ep for a few reasons, some having to do with the way the episode ended. It left me feeling a little ... frustrated. Anyway, on my loose ranking of the season I'd put Resolutions midpack somewhere, maybe at the bottom of the top third or so in a ranked list.
Since English is not my mother tongue (and before joining these fora I had no idea what a story arc was), it has been only by reading posts on the Internet that I deduced the meaning of "story arc". People seemed to refer to the Seska-Jonas-Tom stuff as the only story arc on VOY so I automatically picked that up, attributed a kind of meaning to the expression in my mind and have used it since then.
Maybe I was wrong.
What would a good definition be for a "story arc" then - and what else is understood by this expression in terms of VOY?
So what was it about the ending you didn't like? You wanted Voyager not to find them?
I just didn't find it to be the most convincing of endings, is all. They were doing a pretty good job of "playing house" and, when they received unexpected word from Tuvok, it was as if they suddenly reverted to their former roles without so much as taking a deep breath. I didn't find it to be a very genuine response (actually it was more a lack of any sort of visible response at all), especially since the actors had previously shown some subtle/nuanced emotions towards each other in other scenes and episodes.
I also didn't like the monkey at all...
Well, it seems there is not a general agreement on what is considered an arc. Some people think the episdoes need to be back to back and some don't. For me, an arc is story lines that continue through multiple episodes regardless of whether or not they are back to back
From Memory Alpha:
Voyager vs the Kazon
- Caretaker
- State of Flux
- Maneuvers
- Alliances
- Meld
- Lifesigns
- Investigations
- Basics, Part I
- Basics, Part II
- Q Civil War
- "Death Wish"
- "The Q and the Grey"
- "Q2"
- The Hirogen's Hunt
- Barclay and the Pathfinder Project
- "Pathfinder"
- "Life Line"
- "Inside Man"
- "Author, Author"
Other arcs I would personally include are the development of the Doctor, the progression of Tom and B'Elanna's relationship, the Malon story line, the development of Kes going over to the dark side
I really do find it amusing how just beacause something was personally not to your liking you think it was done intentionally to anger you.There were never any arc or "development" about Kes "going over to the dark side".
Just one s**t episode which the producers made to p*** off the fans who had the audacity to want the character back.
Laugh if you want to. I'm just happy to spread some joy into your life.I really do find it amusing how just beacause something was personally not to your liking you think it was done intentionally to anger you.
Obviously you do have a more weird humor than I have.
But explain this:
Kes was kicked out in the beginning of season 4.
In the coming episodes in seasons 4, 5 and 6 up to that insulting episode, those in charge of the show did all they could to make the fans forget that the character ever existed.
She was hardly mentioned, just once I think. The Hydroponics Bay was transferred into a Dracula's den for a potential hostile race and the food problem suddenly vanished. The Doctor all of a sudden had no need for a medical assistant and even the different Star Trek magazines which were around at the time acted as if Kes never ever existed.
So why did those producers suddenly bring her back-with the only purpose to ruin, destroy and finally kill off the character?
That doesn't make any sense.
The episode itself wasn't any part of any arc or ongoing event and it had no impact on the future episodes of the series. You could easily erase that episode from all further issues of DVD:s and Blue-Rays and no one would react. It was never THE episode of the series and it gave no fame and fortune to those who came up with that morbid, sick episode, no more than they already had.
So why make it? I don't think that they were so stupid that they imagined that the fans actually would LIKE the episode.
I'm sure that they made it only to "show the finger" to certain fans who wanted the character back. Why else would they come up with such crap?
Unfortunately for them, it misfired because they managed to annoy not only the fans of Kes but many other Voyager fans as well.
Except for that tiny fraction of fans who strongly hate the character but who cares about them?
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