USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Spaceship Jo]

OMG. talk about splitting hairs. Sorry to get into this convo but I've been following along and arguing that they drastically modify the silhouette of the Enterprise is pretty much the definition of pedantic. As stated above, it's a saucer, and 3 cylinders connected by a neck and two pylons in pretty much the exact same configuration as it was in the '60s, only with the addition of an angle to the pylons and a slightly shorter neck. You show that to anyone on the street and they will recognize it as the "Star Trek Enterprise".

By this definition, the Excelsior is also the Enterprise, or that (nearly) all boats in the world are the same, which is true from a certain point of view, but it's also pretty meaningless. Yes, the outline of a canoe is pretty similar to the outline of a yacht which is pretty similar to the outline of a supertanker, and... they still aren't the same at all, even if Joe On The Street says they look the same. It doesn't take a car expert to tell the difference between an old VW Bug and a new VW Bug, but even if it did, they aren't the same.
I (mostly) like the Discoprise, but to say the silhouette (let alone the details!) is the same as the TOSterprise? Nope.

 

[fireproof78]

Once we accept those things, I don’t see why you’d try to make the length of the ship fit the TOS dimensions any more than you’d try to argue the viewscreen isn’t bigger.

What are the canon TOS dimensions?

 

[Mudd]

This is a silly. Of course it exists. But you’re taking about the real world when the conversation is about making sense of the fictional one(s). And it can’t be done.

This is precisely why conversations about "making sense of the fictional" with respect to details are a complete waste of time and energy.

 

[Jadeb]

This is precisely why conversations about "making sense of the fictional" with respect to details are a complete waste of time and energy.

Especially when the show prioritizes “wouldn’t it be cool?” and “how can we amp it up?” over “does it make sense?”

 

[Tuskin38]

Especially when the show prioritizes “wouldn’t it be cool?” and “how can we amp it up?” over “does it make sense?”

Eh? If you read the design process in the BTS material released so far for the ships. For the Enterprise at least they tried to make the design choices make sense.

Unless I'm misinterpreting your post.

 

[fireproof78]

Especially when the show prioritizes “wouldn’t it be cool?” and “how can we amp it up?” over “does it make sense?”

This implies that it never happened in Star Trek before...?

 

[Jadeb]

Eh? If you read the design process in the BTS material released so far for the ships. For the Enterprise at least they tried to make the design choices make sense.

Unless I'm misinterpreting your post.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. I was referring more to the general storytelling approach than the design work. If hundreds of shuttlecraft need to come flying out out of the Enterprise, they will, regardless of whether they would actually fit.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hundreds of attack drones pouring out of any version of the NCC-1701 would be eyeroll-inducing and look stupid but that's just my opinion.

 

[fireproof78]

Hundreds of attack drones pouring out of any version of the NCC-1701 would be eyeroll-inducing and look stupid but that's just my opinion.

Yeah, it's a rather odd addition to the Trek franchise.

 

[Paul755]

Hundreds of attack drones pouring out of any version of the NCC-1701 would be eyeroll-inducing and look stupid but that's just my opinion.

Yeah, it's a rather odd addition to the Trek franchise.

Not to mention R2D2 popping out of the saucer to star fixing things

 

[cooleddie74]

Not as over-the-top obnoxious but still very annoying. I'd have eliminated the Wall-E robots without even a second thought and never looked back.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Even the Section 31 ships had literally hundreds of drones popping out of hatches on them. Mind you at least they had cool looking ships.

 

[fireproof78]

Not to mention R2D2 popping out of the saucer to star fixing things

Well, R2 was already a part of Star Trek canon, at least in the Kelvin universe. Unfortunately, those droids were not successful in their repairs. RIPD.

 

[Mudd]

For the Enterprise at least they tried to make the design choices make sense.

Tried and failed.

 

[Timo]

Kirk's ship always spawned drones left and right in TOS, too. "Hundreds" were involved in one episode only, but this was not treated as a special occasion by the heroes themselves in any respect.

That the VFX team now can afford to show visuals when the CO Character says "Deploy the probes/satellites/tri-isophasic reflectors, Mr. Button-Pushing Character!" is the one new thing here. That, and the concept of repair robots, although those might always have been implicit in the concept of "damage control teams".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Rahul]

The weirdest part is how much money they spend on crap like this.

Did anybody like the turbolift fun-house? How long did it take to model and animate R2D2, and what did he add to the story? Did the battle got any more exciting only because the screen was littered with objects exploding?

I think that money could have at least bought another alien planet, plot-relevant starships or intricate new alien species a few episodes earlier. Hell, even a look inside the machinations of "control" before and after its heel-turn would have added more to the story!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Did anybody like the turbolift fun-house?

Meeeeeeeee! I loved it.

Otherwise you've got a ship bigger than the Enterprise-D with a crew of 150.

Plus, just wait until they do their version of "Disaster" and the crew are climbing between habitable areas of the ship...

How long did it take to model and animate R2D2, and what did he add to the story?

It established that they've got a means to repair external damage. Plus, we were told from the very start that this incarnation of Trek would feature robots.


Really, so many of these complaints are about rejecting change. You'd prefer we never saw how external damage is repaired and just had to imagine it like a low budget bottle episode? Why, now we can depict it affordably?

 

[Belz...]

Hundreds of attack drones pouring out of any version of the NCC-1701 would be eyeroll-inducing and look stupid but that's just my opinion.

That whole battle is nonsensical. It's unfortunate because I thought the second-season setup was pretty good.

 

[Belz...]

Kirk's ship always spawned drones left and right in TOS, too. "Hundreds" were involved in one episode only, but this was not treated as a special occasion by the heroes themselves in any respect.

What episode was that?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Closest I can think of is the giant inflatable decoy from that animated episode.

They really need to bring that back.