USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by EJD1984, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. fireproof78

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    Again, that's fair, but it doesn't make it any less visually appealing, or outside the design lineage we had seen (up to that point). Which is more my point.

    ETA: Also, I prefer the Ptolemy as a workhorse/tug/cargo style ship.
     
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  2. Ronald Held

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    Of you can read displays on Blu-Ray is it Canon,or has to be visible being streamed?
     
  3. Serveaux

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    Anything that appears onscreen is canon.

    Even if it contradicts other things that appear onscreen.

    Until someone in charge decides otherwise.

    That's what "canon" is. It is not a synonym for "continuity that is consistent."
     
  4. Jadeb

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    I don’t get why tiny text glimpsed on a screen for a second, if you squint, would be considered canon/accurate/whatever when the appearance of the Enterprise and the Enterprise uniforms, unquestioned for 50 years, no longer is.
     
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    It still is.

    All canon versions of the 23rd century are not consistent with one another. They are all still canon.
     
  6. Jadeb

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    Clearly, though, these questions are about “how does it all fit together?” And the answer is, it doesn’t, and the showrunners don’t care.
     
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    It doesn't, it sorta used to, sometimes,except when it didn't, sometimes it still does.

    The STDPrise doesn't bother me because it's different. The JJPrise is different and I love that without giving a fuck about these fig-leaf timelines. The STD version is just trivial and unimaginative.
     
  8. Jadeb

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    Yeah, I don’t really expect them to care, at least beyond offering updated homages to the more iconic designs. But if we accept that Discovery is a visual reinterpretation, as we must, I don’t see why some tiny bit of random text is exempt from that.

    Once they abandon the original silhouette of the Enterprise, one of the most iconic spaceships in history, I can’t see sweating the small stuff.
     
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  9. Tuskin38

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    They care.

    Well they haven't done that yet.
     
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    Exempt from what? All that stuff is still canon, including the text.

    "The old stuff has been replaced" is something that fans can say, but it carries no weight. The old stuff is still there. What's being done now will be contradicted later but will still be here.
     
  11. Jadeb

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    This is arguable. But stuff like randomly adding a rear corridor to the bridge suggests that fidelity is not high among their priorities. That said, I appreciate the homages they have given us. I’m not saying that they’re wrong for updating the designs, just that they are updating the designs (and their dimensions).

    This, however, is factually incorrect. The outline of the ship is conspicuously different. You may like the new silhouette, but it is not the same.
     
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  12. Jadeb

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    This is a silly. Of course it exists. But you’re taking about the real world when the conversation is about making sense of the fictional one(s). And it can’t be done.
     
  13. DEWLine

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    Oberths, Novas, Danubes, and so on, yes...definitely agreed on this point.
     
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  14. Tuskin38

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    A saucer, a cylindrical hull, two cylindrical extrusions from the hull. It's pretty much the same.

    You show it to any non-fan they'll probably agree it looks like the Enterprise.

    It wasn't random, they gave a reason.
     
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  15. Jadeb

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    So if I present you with the silhouettes of both versions, you won’t be able to tell them apart? Because if you can, the silhouette is not the same.
     
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  16. Tuskin38

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    The refit changed the silhouette, but it's still the Enterprise.

    Maybe I should have phrased it that it still looks like an Enterprise. It wasn't changed enough to be completely unrecognizable.
     
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    OMG. talk about splitting hairs. Sorry to get into this convo but I've been following along and arguing that they drastically modify the silhouette of the Enterprise is pretty much the definition of pedantic. As stated above, it's a saucer, and 3 cylinders connected by a neck and two pylons in pretty much the exact same configuration as it was in the 60's, only with the additioa of an angle to the pylons and a slightly shorter neck. You show that to anyone on the street and they will recognize it as the "Star Trek Enterprise".
     
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  18. Jadeb

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    I’m not arguing about the legitimacy of the design to be called the Enterprise. But it’s not the same design as in TOS, and it’s certainly not the same silhouette.

    Once we accept those things, I don’t see why you’d try to make the length of the ship fit the TOS dimensions any more than you’d try to argue the viewscreen isn’t bigger.
     
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    You appear to be missing the point. I’m not talking about whether the Enterprise is recognizable. It’s clearly an homage to the original, with a good bit of refit thrown in.
     
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    By this definition, the Excelsior is also the Enterprise, or that (nearly) all boats in the world are the same, which is true from a certain point of view, but it's also pretty meaningless. Yes, the outline of a canoe is pretty similar to the outline of a yacht which is pretty similar to the outline of a supertanker, and... they still aren't the same at all, even if Joe On The Street says they look the same. It doesn't take a car expert to tell the difference between an old VW Bug and a new VW Bug, but even if it did, they aren't the same.
    I (mostly) like the Discoprise, but to say the silhouette (let alone the details!) is the same as the TOSterprise? Nope.