But is canon and part of the Prime continuity.
So? Retcons are damned common. They happen all the time, TMP was a Retcon. Heck that ENT story ark was a retcon
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So? Retcons are damned common. They happen all the time, TMP was a Retcon. Heck that ENT story ark was a retcon
The Klingon augment storyline was no worse than the explanation for Klingon differences that had already been around for many years in Trek Lit and other printed sources since the '80s. For fandom of the time before the current definition of "cannnnnnnon," that would have been considered the official word. 
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Now they have to explain all-new Klingons. Maybe the Romulans had an augment virus that affected these Klingons! I smell sweepsweek multi-part episode!
This is simply why Discovery should be a reboot. And is what I am treating it as.
Kol being part of the House of Kor doesn't lose anything being part of a reboot vs. "Prime" timeline. No more than Superman and Supergirl lose their connection in the eyes of fans every time they reboot the property.
They do not have to explian them at all. Never did. They never explained the dozen other races they redesigned.
Klingons always looked like this. Done.
Klingons always looked like this. Done.
Some of the fans you are looking to satisfy by saying its "Prime" simply won't buy that explanation any more than they did the change in Klingons in TMP.
Once you redesign so many things at once, it is hard to buy that it is in the same universe as the other series. As far as the Trill go, they weren't on the same level of public perception as the Klingons. They appeared in one episode, a mediocre one at best, of TNG.
If they did to the Vulcans what they did to the Klingons, gave them really dark makeup and elongated skulls, would you still consider them the same as the TOS Vulcans?
Guys, they refit the Enterprise so hard in TMP that it warped spacetime and changed the Trill in DS9. Obvs.
And since changes ripple forwards and backwards in time, perhaps the Trill changing was a pre-destination paradox that actually caused the refit in TMP.
Not really? DS9 was the retcon when they acknowledged it. Enterprise added to it.
It also changed the universe to a cartoon for awhile too. That's how the universe appears when it subjected to such a severe paradox as that.
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Not only that - in TNG's "The Host" it was stated Trill couldn't use the Transporter without dying. That was retconned as Dax had been serving in some form since the 23rd century and had zero issues with Transporters,
To be fair, they did do Terry Farrell up in the original Trill markup early on. Decided she was too pretty for that, and went with spots. Maybe Odan had weird fetishes in hosts.
Wouldn't the new Klingon look harken back to some of the old fanon ideas about their being multiple species or sub-species of Klingon, with lots of hybrid races in the Empire that interact with species on their borders? It be funny if these Discovery Klingons are the old ancient Klingons, but to those in power on Quo'noS, they are known as Har'q.
Wouldn't the new Klingon look harken back to some of the old fanon ideas about their being multiple species or sub-species of Klingon, with lots of hybrid races in the Empire that interact with species on their borders? It be funny if these Discovery Klingons are the old ancient Klingons, but to those in power on Quo'noS, they are known as Har'q.
Yep, there is a huge list of races that got a redesign and not a word has ever been said.
Didn't one of the producers say or at least imply that there were multiple types of Klingon and these were just one kind?The Klingon augment storyline was no worse than the explanation for Klingon differences that had already been around for many years in Trek Lit and other printed sources since the '80s. For fandom of the time before the current definition of "cannnnnnnon," that would have been considered the official word.
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But most of those showed up once or twice. Funnily enough, an exception to this are the Romulans who in Star Treks V & VI had smooth foreheads just like they had in TOS and could pass for Vulcan, but ever since their reappearance at the end of TNG season one, had ridged foreheads of their own.
Their appearance in those two movies actually came after "The Neutral Zone". So they were retconned, retconned back, then reretconned.
The look of the transporter, warp, and phaser effects, star fields, sounds.... these have all changed in every iteration of Trek and sometimes within the same series. Communicators went from small to large and back again for no good reason. Countless other changes in the look of things - including the look of alien races - have happened as different artists, tastes, and technologies have come and gone. I'd understand the concern if they were changing the fundamental nature of species, characters, or Trek concepts - but the look has always been in flux and always will be. That's part of what makes Trek a living, continuing story - striving to stay relevant to every new generation.
The new Klingons look like a modern take on the old guy-with-a-head-prosthesis which has been so prevalent in Trek. Personally, I think the look is modern and realistic while still being recognizably connected to the post-TOS Klingons. It's easy for me to look at them and think, "this is the way they always looked if they'd had the time/budget for better make-up" - which is what I thought of the post-TOS Klingons when they debuted, too.
The new Klingons look like a modern take on the old guy-with-a-head-prosthesis which has been so prevalent in Trek. Personally, I think the look is modern and realistic while still being recognizably connected to the post-TOS Klingons. It's easy for me to look at them and think, "this is the way they always looked if they'd had the time/budget for better make-up" - which is what I thought of the post-TOS Klingons when they debuted, too.
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After hearing all the chatter from STLV, I think a Captain Pike led Enterprise is going to be making an appearance. I doubt we'd get to see Bruce Greenwood, but I think it would be awesome if we did.
Getting to the point that we may as well call it Star Trek: Kitchen Sink. As they are throwing everything known about Trek into it, including the kitchen sink.
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