USS Enterprise (eventually) on Discovery?

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Pretty sure one of the novels writers over in TrekLit said they were not allowed to contradict the Supernova and Spock going missing in the books.

This is true. It is understood that these events happen in the Prime universe as far as the novels go so they could not contradict it by saying Spock was around in 2390 or having Romulus around in that year as well. But they also could not reference his disappearance or the destruction of Romulus in any way because those storylines are owned by the movies. So the books have been stretching out the years prior to those events and hoping a new agreement would arise instead of just flat out ignoring such a major event. Yes, it was stupid, haha.

But now they can write about it all they want!

 

[Kor]

They are pushing this very hard at the fan crowd. They have to. Because people watching Game of Thrones will laugh at the PG rated Game of Klingons.

Supposedly ST-Dis will be "hard PG-13," whatever that's supposed to mean.

Kor

 

[Mirror Mirror]

@Mirror Mirror the novels follow what the productions and CBS says; they are meant to be an expansion of the televised/movie universe. But yeah, you can also think of the novels as a separate timeline where all the TV and film events happen and keep it separate if you want, but I don't think most people who read the books think of it this way. I don't, for instance.

I am used this this kinda thinking myself. So this is how I view it and IMO leaving it non canon is the best way to go. I saw what a mess the Forgotten Realms game setting became with a few hundred official novels. You could no swing a cat without running into maybe a canon violation, so badly they game designers NUKED the setting and totally redesigned it. which was a bad call as it killed novel sells.

Leaving them non canon, but within a shared universe of novels allows both sides full creative freedom.

 

[Noname Given]

Existing Star Trek fans are not the only people they're aiming it at.

Actually, yes they are because they expect the majority of new subscribers to CBSAA to be hard core Star Trek fans willing to pay to watch. If they WERE aiming for a broader audience in general - ST: D would either have aired on CBS or the CW (yes CBS and Warner Bros. both co-own the CW network).

 

[PixelMagic]

Would something like this be too much of a change?

Not enough change, and also uses too much 60s/70s design aesthetic.

It would need to be as drastic as the JJprise redesign, except...ya know...not ugly.
Something like this at bare minimum...

 

[Noname Given]

We don't know how old the Discovery is. For all we know she is a new ship.

The TOS Connie is at least 10 years old when the show starts.

Only via non-canon sources. In "The Cage" and "The Menagerie" it was never stated when the 1701 was originally built, commissioned, nor was it stated when Pike was given command. We CAN infer there was a refit because the ship's crew compliment was doubled:
Pike's 1701 had 203 crew
Kirk's 1701 had 432 crew

 

[Tuskin38]

Actually, yes they are because they expect the majority of new subscribers to CBSAA to be hard core Star Trek fans willing to pay to watch. If they WERE aiming for a broader audience in general - ST: D would either have aired on CBS or the CW (yes CBS and Warner Bros. both co-own the CW network).

At the Vegas panel they said they were aiming at making non-fans into fans. That sounds wider to me.

 

[Noname Given]

At the Vegas panel they said they were aiming at making non-fans into fans. That sounds wider to me.

They ALWAYS ainm to make non-fans into fans - it would be dumb to not do that for ANY expensive series based on a known IP. That said, with comments like what I'me linking to below from some CBS executives:
http://comicbook.com/2016/11/15/star-trek-discovery-couldnt-cut-it-on-broadcast-tv-says-cbs/
^^^
make no mistake that they know (and want to court) their core audience of Star Trek fans.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Only via non-canon sources. In "The Cage" and "The Menagerie" it was never stated when the 1701 was originally built, commissioned, nor was it stated when Pike was given command.

Sounds to me like this gives some writer free rein for deciding how old the Enterprise really is. Also, this can explain why it lacks the polish and technology of the Shenzhou and Discovery.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Sounds to me like this gives some writer free rein for deciding how old the Enterprise really is. Also, this can explain why it lacks the polish and technology of the Shenzhou and Discovery.

Only if they make it older than the NX

 

[Timo]

Wouldn't that be "older than the CVN-65"?

The thing is, we have a trend here. The farther in the future, the less a starship bridge is going to feature blinking things, blue glow and odd interfaces, and the more it is going to look like a bare-walled room with a black tabletop or a dozen. In that sense, Kirk's ship fits right in, already omitting most of the bizarre 21st century gizmoes and introducing the black tabletops...

Aren't we lucky we didn't get a 25th century spinoff that would have reversed the trend and showed the future future, rather than the past future, crews operating late 2010s doodads that will look outdated in just two years or so?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[KennyB]

Not enough change, and also uses too much 60s/70s design aesthetic.

It would need to be as drastic as the JJprise redesign, except...ya know...not ugly.
Something like this at bare minimum...

Always loved Gabe's update

 

[Arpy]

I hope they don't show the Enterprise. The JJ one people keep saying only looks that way because the timeline merged, so it shouldn't show in DSC, and the original looks way off compared to the others. Frankly, it was a true delight to see on DS9 and ENT, but I never really bought the design in the same universe.

I don't like Gabe's update as it's more a mix of the original with the refit, with a dash of nuBSG. I like all three, but not together.

I'm perfectly willing to accept DSC as its own universe, and but would be apprehensive to see a kewl new updating(!) of the original on it. Give it a mention in the series finale if you must, but I'm more interested in DSC being its own thing we never get tired of discussing than undermining the spirit of TOS.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm really looking forward to the inevitable flood of reimagined DSC-styled Enterprise fanarts that'll be popping up soon. I want to see how they make Shenzhou-style nacelles work with the TOS Enterprise cylinder and saucer.

 

[Mudd]

I'm really looking forward to the inevitable flood of reimagined DSC-styled Enterprise fanarts that'll be popping up soon. I want to see how they make Shenzhou-style nacelles work with the TOS Enterprise cylinder and saucer.

Pretty easy - they're close enough to the ST:TMP nacelles.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well, heads would explode if the TOS Enterprise were reimaged to look more like the TMP version.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Well, heads would explode if the TOS Enterprise were reimaged to look more like the TMP version.

 

[KennyB]

Well, heads would explode if the TOS Enterprise were reimaged to look more like the TMP version.

Let 'em..........they explode about anything these days.

 

[BillJ]

Let 'em..........they explode about anything these days.

They are choosing (supposedly) to play in the Prime timeline, then the Enterprise should remain largely unchanged. I don't get the disrespect being thrown TOS' way, honestly? Nor am I ashamed of the way it looked or was written or performed. It is of its time, and if Discovery wants to use that time they should respect the work of those who made this particular job possible.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Even the refit as is would stick out like a sore thumb in DSC and would require updating. People accepted the Kelvin Ent despite its significant redesign.
To me, it's not a matter of whether or not they redesign, but how tastefully they do it compared to the crappy Kelvin version.

It's easy for them to claim it's Prime in the beginning when there are still just a handful of stories, but as more and more scripts are written, it will start to hamper creativity and they will move away from it.

Crewman 1: "Is that 1701? She looks completely different."
Crewman 2: "No she doesn't, She's exactly the same."
Crewman 1: "Huh. I guess she is then."
[canon preserved]