TOS Prequel #4

[cooleddie74]

Hey, if the SNW Enterprise looked more like the TOS Enterprise I'd be happy, too. But that ship sailed when DSC decided to show her and change her to fit that series' aesthetic. The best we can hope for is that the producers will gradually change some set designs and tweak them to look like TOS or at least an approximation of those designs. I for one am going to give this a chance and if it sucks, well, I'll know when it premieres.

 

[Finn]

CGI recreations of Jeffrey Hunter and other cast members of "The Cage" as well as accurate reproduction of the sets, writing, and filming styles.

Basically, I want it to be like they found a bunch of episodes locked away in a vault and are just now releasing them.

That's what I want.

 

[Warped9]

Perspectives do change.

Way back when TMP premiered there were some us who thought they went too far with the revamped aesthetic. I like the TMP refit, but I do think it went too far for the time period established in the film. I think the TOS uniforms could have been tweaked/updated as evidenced by what we have seen recently (although I don't care for how they've done them in DSC).

But there were things in TMP I really liked and still do. There were no specific references to the past and previous events other than Kirk had been behind a desk for nearly three years, Spock had gone back to Vulcan and the rest of the crew were doing their own thing.

Still when TMP was made it was felt the TOS aesthetic couldn't be transferred to a high definition big screen format. Today we know thats not true.

What I cannot stand with Trek now is how every goddamned thing has to be tied to everything else and the damned incessant name dropping and regugitating what we have seen before. There were things TOS or TNG or whatever established first with the idea Starfleet or the Federation had never seen them before. But, oh no, we just have to bring those things back to prove thats not true and thus undermine the wonder that the 1701 or 1701D were encountering something never before seen.

Fuck, the Talosians have shown up in DSC? That completely undermines that they were a race Pike encountered first. And Pike met Vina before events in "The Cage"? WTF!!

Modern Trek is glossy and polished, but it is essentially fanfic.

 

[cooleddie74]

No. "The Cage(TOS)" takes place roughly three years before Pike sees Vina's image again in Season 2 of DSC. He didn't meet her before 2254 because nobody on the Enterprise met Vina before 2254. DSC has a lot of problems but it doesn't get the timeline of events related to Talos IV wrong. Your own timeline is messed up regarding Pike and Talos IV.

 

[Phoenix219]

Is that what that means? Holy F@¢# I'm sick of this. Why does EVERYTHING have to be about Trump? Why can't people just shut up about it?

So now wanting a certain type of Star Trek is equivalent to MAGA now huh?

Restoring former glory, a return to a time when things were better, the "classic" status quo..... a return to a high standard set in the past.... yet everyones personal vision of that standard may be different... hence the equivalency.... if you take personal feelings of politics out of it its not a terrible slogan.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Another Star Trek show set in the "past". Why is everyone so scared to go beyond the familiar characters and look forward?

Because no one wants to be the idiot that makes the flop that kills the entire franchise.

What I cannot stand with Trek now is how every goddamned thing has to be tied to everything else and the damned incessant name dropping and regugitating what we have seen before. There were things TOS or TNG or whatever established first with the idea Starfleet or the Federation had never seen them before. But, oh no, we just have to bring those things back to prove thats not true and thus undermine the wonder that the 1701 or 1701D were encountering something never before seen.

Agreed. I get that it's fun to tie your stories into what came before, but at some point, you've got to try to tell your own stories and do new stuff.

 

[Mudd]

ugh. Just look at them. Both Spock and Number One should be cool, aloof, exotic. These pretty people are right out of central casting for Melrose Place.

That's a cast shot. They're not in character.

You must have known that.

If not...why not?

I've seen these actors play these characters already. This looks to be brilliant.

Manny Coto? Really? You can't aim higher than that?

TOS ended in 1969. Forever.

There must be something more important to complain about.

I can give you a list. Really.

At least we can look forward to the surviving TOS cast doing their eternal we-would-never-complain-but-we're-complaining grousing. That'll be entertaining.

 

[BillJ]

Time to break out the mini-skirts!

 

[Mudd]

Only if they put LCDR Kirk in one.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Kelvin Timeline had miniskirt uniforms. Sleeveless miniskirt uniforms.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Kelvin Timeline had miniskirt uniforms. Sleeveless miniskirt uniforms.

 

[Mudd]

We know what the uniforms look like already. And we know what the Enterprise looks like.

It would be stupid for them to duplicate designs and styles that are fifty years old.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

We know what the uniforms look like already. And we know what the Enterprise looks like.

It would be stupid for them to duplicate designs and styles that are fifty years old.

Precisely.

Honestly both the Disco Enterprise uniforms and sets are more faithful to the original series than I ever expected them to be. Same with the Abrams films.

At the end of the day, it's all the same. But again those things don't bother me. I care more about the writing than I do the visual details.

Modern Trek is glossy and polished, but it is essentially fanfic.

TBH, we live in the era of corporate fan fic. Have been for a long while... especially with superheroes. I've come to terms with that myself. And I still enjoy the new stuff when its good. Not so much when it isn't.

 

[cultcross]

Another Star Trek show set in the "past". Why is everyone so scared to go beyond the familiar characters and look forward?

Both current 'going concerns' in the Trekverse are set in the 'future' of the known timeline. Across both shows, two main characters are revisits of previous shows.

I've actually always been one to advocate for 'beyond Voyager' series, if only to get away from the sort of absurdity about continuity and canon that follows every prequel so doggedly. But we're getting two shows about that, so an episodic shipside show set in a previously seen era with characters we don't really know (with one exception) doesn't seem too crazy an idea as a third offering.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Another Star Trek show set in the "past". Why is everyone so scared to go beyond the familiar characters and look forward?

Picard and the 3rd season of Discovery are doing just that. One is set 20 years after Nemesis, the other 800 years or so.

 

[BillJ]

Another Star Trek show set in the "past". Why is everyone so scared to go beyond the familiar characters and look forward?

Because this an investment of $100 million dollars, CBS wants to play it as safe as possible.

 

[Vger23]

Another Star Trek show set in the "past". Why is everyone so scared to go beyond the familiar characters and look forward?

Because they put these actors and characters in S2 of DSC, and there was an overwhelmingly positive fan response to all of it.

I for one am infinitely more interested in seeing Captain Pike and the Enterprise than I would be in seeing yet another Star Trek The NEXT Next Generation series with ships that have Slipstream Multiphasic Warp Drive (but still moves at the speed of plot), more powerful Singularity Torpedoes (but still go "pew pew boom"), and yet another cliched cast filled with Trek tropes like the alien who doesn't understand humanity, the half-race character, and the "How Can We Make This Captain Really Different" Captain exploring the Andromeda galaxy (but still has the same potential for unknown aliens, bumpy foreheads, weird anomalies, and time travel hijynx).

All things being equal, I'd rather see that formula played out with characters and settings I already know and love.

Hey look on the bright side....you'll have a whole new set of episodes to arbitrarily rate "1" in the forum polls. Good hunting!!

 

[BillJ]

Personally, I would love if they found some lost episodes, from the 1960’s. I don’t want the current folks emulating the 1960’s.

 

[Vger23]

Fuck, the Talosians have shown up in DSC? That completely undermines that they were a race Pike encountered first. And Pike met Vina before events in "The Cage"

Bro, what are you talking about? DSC takes place about 9ish years before TOS. The events of "The Cage" were set 13 years before TOS. The events depicted in "If Memory Serves" were a RETURN to Talos IV, not a retcon story about discovering it.

 

[Mudd]

Another Star Trek show set in the "past". Why is everyone so scared to go beyond the familiar characters and look forward?

They're all set in the future, and all of those eras are essentially identical.