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Today I shoved a racist to the floor in a crowded restaurant.

BolianAuthor said:
The fact that these people were making a point to so loudly say such things in the presence of the black family hints that they probably wanted a more violent confrontation anyway.

The thought had crossed my mind, but since my post was something of a tl;dr already (that much I can't help agreeing with Holdfast on) I didn't bother bringing it up. The loudness of their racism was, uh, substantial, and they had to know there was a family of the ethnicity they were going on about two tables down from them.
 
Profanity warning.

No hyperbole. No exaggerations. I'm still a bit stunned by it all, myself, but I needed to compose my thoughts and I needed to document the whole ordeal. I figured this place would be sufficient and I can get a bunch of people telling me I'm cool while a bunch more tell me I'm crazy for putting myself in a situation like that.

That way I can decide over time which to believe.

No, strike that. Ultimately I know exactly what I'll think of myself -- it's just another example of a personality trait -- I don't back down from blatant injustice. I just hate it. So I'll think I'm about the same as usual. I could get into my life story and you'd understand the whole thing better but that's not what this thread about so let me get back to the point.

I don't drive. I mean, I drive, but I don't have a car. So when I need groceries I hop on the old bicycle (it's lime green and attracts a lot of attention; think of it as a sports car for pedestrians) and that's exactly what I did this morning. On the way back, I swung by a family-style restaurant called Biff Burger (you may have heard of it; I think it has multiple locations) for some sweet tea. I was very thirsty and what with my whole tea kick lately I figured what the heck.

I decide to sit down so I can enjoy a refill. I'm surrounded by two small groups. One group is a black family. A man, a woman and a child. The child, by the way, is no older than ten. The other group is two older white men. One of them is wearing the uniform of the restaurant.

The two older men start off by talking about harmless diversions. The Discovery Channel, something about a rifle (damned if I had any idea what the man was saying)... then they move to the often-proposed light rail system for the state of Florida and how 'stupid' it is and how 'they'd just have Mexicans build it anyway so there wouldn't even be any jobs made from it'. This offends me but I hold my tongue. I'm just stopping by for sweet tea. I'm in a place called Biff Burger; no offense to anyone intended, and I'm sure there are a great many wonderful regulars there, but I should expect this from a few patrons.

Then it gets my blood boiling. The men aren't content to leave things there. They start talking about 'self-righteous [censored; starts with an 'n'] trying to get more than they deserve', saying 'if you give them [censored] an inch, they ask for the whole [censored] country' and 'that [censored] president should go back to cotton-picking'. All of this is occurring two tables away from a black family and their fucking child. Yeah, I'm going to censor them but not me. Because fuck them.

Ahem. Excuse me.

I couldn't stand it. This is the point where a lot of people would walk away. This is the point where part of me was begging myself to just walk away. But I shoved that part of me in a dark chasm where it belongs, because dammit, that was not right. I got up, pointed at the two bastards and gave them a piece of my mind.

I told them if they wanted to continue with their stone-age opinions they were welcome to do so within the comfort of their homes and when surrounded by none but those who agreed with them, like at a bar in Downtown Tampa or on Fox News. But I was not going to take it, not with that kid sitting there and that family growing increasingly uncomfortable. Oh yeah, they definitely were; the looks on their faces told me everything I needed to know about that one.

So the guy wearing the restaurant uniform stood up and pointed back at me threateningly, telling me to mind my damn business and get the hell out of his restaurant. It isn't his restaurant, mind, or I'd probably have just walked at that point so I could deliver the whole thing to a news agency. He's a dishwasher, as I learned shortly. Not yet, though. No, I shoved him full-force down onto the floor.

To say the least, this raised the stakes quite a bit. In that instant I became immediately aware of what I'd done; what kind of trouble I'd just committed myself to. I could even see the glean in his eyes as he stood back up. There was a chance I'd spend a bit of time behind bars for this. That's somewhere I've never been and I don't intend to go, but in that instant I knew it might have been on the agenda. But I really didn't care. I was so royally pissed that if he'd gotten up and hit me back, I might not have stopped hitting him for a long while.

The whole restaurant was, needless to say, paying attention at this point. The manager quickly raced toward the scene and demanded an explanation, so I let the employee give his side of the story and I remained quiet. Now it was pretty much up to the integrity and beliefs of the other customers. If they thought what I did was noble they'd defend me. If they thought otherwise I might not have a case. Either way, the employee could obviously still press charges. I struck first. Hell, I struck and he didn't. That was pretty solid.

Thankfully, as you can probably tell by my sitting here and typing this all up, several people -- including the black mother -- defended me. I told the manager straight-up what I'd done in more of a reiteration of what others stated than anything else, and I told him I'd do it again. The employee was swiftly fired and the manager told me I might want to leave in case anyone decided to go after me over the whole thing.

You know, after typing it all up I'm not having a hard time coming to terms with anything anymore. I feel like I did the right thing. Violence might not be the answer but damn, did I feel like shoving that man and damn, did it feel good. I'm sorry to have failed you, Gandhi, but damn, did it feel good.

Attaboy.
 
Seriously, would you rather every thread here were some variant of 'today I saw a monkey at the zoo and it was cute and furry'?
It's Holdfast we are talking about: make it about John Phillips suits and he might be interested. More seriously, always remember to switch on your sarcasm detector when reading his posts. ;)

Beside that: violence doesn't solve anything yadda yadda yadda. So, well done, and kudos to you for still being able to get mad at bigotry and racism. It's no small thing.
 

Wow, you quoted my entire wall of text for the one word. I like it. Adds effect.

It's Holdfast we are talking about: make it about John Phillips suits and he might be interested. More seriously, always remember to switch on your sarcasm detector when reading his posts. ;)

Oh, well you'll have to forgive me; I've never encountered his species before. I try to crank up my sarcasm detector to the max in unfamiliar territory but alas, the more unfamiliar it is, the worse the reception.

Beside that: violence doesn't solve anything yadda yadda yadda. So, well done, and kudos to you for still being able to get mad at bigotry and racism. It's no small thing.

Thanks.
 
I know that the law sees it differently but I wouldn't call shoving man to the floor who was, according to the OP, already making an aggressive or threatening stance "violence."
 
I know that the law sees it differently but I wouldn't call shoving man to the floor who was, according to the OP, already making an aggressive or threatening stance "violence."

Yeah, that's the kick in the pants, sadly. The word is the law and the law sees physical contact of any form as punishable to the full extent of the... uh, the law.

I should sleep soon.
 
I know that the law sees it differently but I wouldn't call shoving man to the floor who was, according to the OP, already making an aggressive or threatening stance "violence."

Yeah, that's the kick in the pants, sadly. The word is the law and the law sees physical contact of any form as punishable to the full extent of the... uh, the law.

I should sleep soon.

Well, though I'm sure it varies from place to place, it may not mean any physical contact has to occur to you first before you can make contact. The guy coming up to you in a threatening manner could be enough cause for you to be allowed to shove the guy back. You didn't punch him, kick him, or hurt him you simply pushed a threat back off.
 
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Wow, you quoted my entire wall of text for the one word. I like it. Adds effect.

In case you got it wrong: I like what you did.

Post a video on youtube and I might care; post title was moderately intriguing, wall of text was not.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression this board was open to all kinds of miscellany.

And I'm sorry I speak too much for you?

You can post whatever you like; it doesn't mean it's going to entertain me. :D

Wait, is this a moderator posting, but not contributing to the thread?
 
Post a video on youtube and I might care; post title was moderately intriguing, wall of text was not.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression this board was open to all kinds of miscellany.

And I'm sorry I speak too much for you?

You can post whatever you like; it doesn't mean it's going to entertain me. :D

I've recently been informed you carry yourself with a certain... sarcastic swagger, so while I know you're being truthful in that you don't give a shit (fine with me) I do apologize for snapping in such a manner.

For the record, though, it wasn't anyone's entertainment I was after. I would have secured the rights to a made-for-TV Lifetime original movie by now if that were the case, or maybe I'd go with SyFy. Depending on the mood, of course. Like I said, I was getting shit off my chest. I don't do livejournal, I don't do wordpress, I don't do frelling facebook so this was it for me. :D

I know that the law sees it differently but I wouldn't call shoving man to the floor who was, according to the OP, already making an aggressive or threatening stance "violence."

Yeah, that's the kick in the pants, sadly. The word is the law and the law sees physical contact of any form as punishable to the full extent of the... uh, the law.

I should sleep soon.

Well, though I'm sure it varies from place to place, it may mean any physical contact has to occur to you first before you can make contact. The guy coming up to you in a threatening manner could be enough cause for you to be allowed to shove the guy back. You didn't punch him, kick him, or hurt him you simply pushed a threat back off.

Yeah, it's not like I roundhouse kicked him or anything. Although I gotta admit, that'd be kind of funny.
 
Bet they didn't see that one coming. :lol:

I'm surprised it wasn't the child's father who did this, but I guess since the child was so young, he didn't want him exposed to further bad language or violence. Wow. I've never seen such a thing in my life. I probably would have done exactly the same. Well done for being brave. I would only add, make sure you don't get yourself in trouble next time. You must have quite a temper!
 
Bet they didn't see that one coming. :lol:

I'm surprised it wasn't the child's father who did this, but I guess since the child was so young, he didn't want him exposed to further bad language or violence. Wow. I've never seen such a thing in my life. I probably would have done exactly the same. Well done for being brave. I would only add, make sure you don't get yourself in trouble next time. You must have quite a temper!

Only in particular conditions. :devil:

The child's parents seemed very mild-mannered from what very little I saw of them. They were all pretty well-dressed and, to be blunt, didn't really look like they belonged; everyone else in the restaurant looked like they'd just climbed out of bed, which, considering what time it was, isn't surprising.

The family on the other hand looked like it was dressed for success, like it was there with purpose and gusto, and I think they might have been a bit well-off and just blown away by in the insensitive nature of the comments and wanted to steer clear of trouble.

Again, this is all based on very little contact. Just observations.
 
^ People like that just aren't worth the stress sometimes, and I guess it wouldn't have done his wife or child any good if both men had wanted to rough him up a little (they don't sound like they were above that)... what a nasty situation to find yourself in on a day out with family. Great move, really!

You can post whatever you like; it doesn't mean it's going to entertain me. :D

And who are you, the Queen? Wait, don't answer that! :bolian:
 
Wait, is this a moderator posting, but not contributing to the thread?
Eh, best to leave it alone unless that's some enormous thing around here. I've said my piece and he/she has said his/hers.

Hey, I'm not a mod in this forum, and in any case my posts anywhere on the board should be held to the same standard as anyone else's. You expressed your opinion, I did mine, and neither of us flamed the other.

And you should all know that the last time I took anything on the internet remotely seriously was probably 1997. Maybe 1998; I was a slow learner. :p
 
and in any case my posts anywhere on the board should be held to the same standard as anyone else's.

I appreciate you saying that. I've always held to that belief. I've been a mod on a few forums and I've always felt that that's the best way of going about things. It's gotten me into a wee spot of trouble on two, maybe three occasions when I've afforded no quarter in forum-fencing with power-hungry moderators but it's a good system and it should be honored.
 
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