It's a quibble, but an RPG was used, not a bazooka. They're, more-or-less, the same type of weapon on a superficial level but there's differences between them in how they deliver the payload. The weapon used was an RPG, not a bazooka.
The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion
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So stop the truck and get out as soon as you see them. Hit the brakes. Reverse. Get your guns ready. Do something. I know they tried to suggest it was on a bend so they couldn't see the bikers til last minute but I dont buy that. Worse case scenario... floor it... and take as many of them out as you can.
You live in a world where people have tried to eat you for goodness sake. Stopping and then getting out? They might as well have pulled their trousers down, bent over and pulled their cheeks apart.
And the term "zombie" is also incorrect. The correct term is actually "the living challenged."
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Exactly. This is what I wrote on another part of the board:
Yep that sums up my problems with the episode as well. I've heard a lot of complaints about the show that center around the idea that it kills off its characters like it's nothing. My response was always "well, yeah, it's a show about the zombie apocalypse! People should be dying left and right!" But it's getting to the point (probably long since past it actually) where death is only done to shock with no consequences and meaning. I have no clue if what happened in this episode happened in the comics, but damn if it didn't feel superfluous and not much more than a contrivance of plot.
As I've said before, the deaths are a cheap trick. They bring in characters for a number of episodes, make you think of them as regulars then kill them off but in truth, they weren't regulars. They were just guest star cannon fodder.
Andrea was the last true regular to die.
My money's on Abraham being the next big, shocking death (as opposed to who gives a shit deaths). They've successfully made him part of the gang now. Just in time for us to buy it as a shock.
Andrea was the last true regular to die.
My money's on Abraham being the next big, shocking death (as opposed to who gives a shit deaths). They've successfully made him part of the gang now. Just in time for us to buy it as a shock.
In the zombie apocalypse, when I see a group of bikers blocking my route, I don't think I'd assume... they probably just wanna eat some cakes and chat about feelings.
I could be wrong of course... but I'm not gonna worry too much about that as I plough through them.
I could be wrong of course... but I'm not gonna worry too much about that as I plough through them.
A few more thoughts/responses...
Negan's gang had their guns already drawn & in a forward position. Our heroes are in a big TRCUK can , NOT very manuverable. Also, the truck has A LOT OF FUEL. Any gun fire, and it explodes. So surrender, at that point is logical. Depending on the gang, there may be a way of escape (which Darryl found).
And for the Wolf... people can change , especially in the zombie apocalypse. Morgan is an example of that, and it's why he's doing what he's doing.
Heck, even Merle changed too.
The TWD Marathon reminded me how much Carol changed....so as much as she wouldn't want to see it, she changed too.
Now, definitely debates as to how long, if at all....but Morgan isn't as crazy as y'all think. However, I would agree that at some point, his philosophy would be too much for our Group to live with. I just hope Morgan leaves (whether by himself or a small group), and not be killed.
Negan's gang had their guns already drawn & in a forward position. Our heroes are in a big TRCUK can , NOT very manuverable. Also, the truck has A LOT OF FUEL. Any gun fire, and it explodes. So surrender, at that point is logical. Depending on the gang, there may be a way of escape (which Darryl found).
And for the Wolf... people can change , especially in the zombie apocalypse. Morgan is an example of that, and it's why he's doing what he's doing.
Heck, even Merle changed too.
The TWD Marathon reminded me how much Carol changed....so as much as she wouldn't want to see it, she changed too.
Now, definitely debates as to how long, if at all....but Morgan isn't as crazy as y'all think. However, I would agree that at some point, his philosophy would be too much for our Group to live with. I just hope Morgan leaves (whether by himself or a small group), and not be killed.
Every scenario you suggest very obviously results in an instant firefight, and it's a firefight in which the bikers have the clear advantage. They have the advantage of surprise, numbers, local knowledge, firepower (excepting the RPG, which can't be reached without extreme risk), speed and maneuverability. The absolute best case scenario is taking out maybe half of them (probably far less) with the truck and running a high speed chase against the rest, which probably either ends with the bikers getting reinforcements or just blowing up the truck/running it off the road.
On the other hand, anyone who doesn't instantly shoot at you is probably not going to kill you right off the bat. The longer you're alive, the better your chances of actually finding the RIGHT moment to make your move. Like Darryl did.
Daryl got lucky due to the (convenient) dumbassery of the leader who clearly intended to kill them yet like the worst Bond villains, decided he wanted to reveal the location of his evil lair first and send one of his least competent henchman to the back of the truck with Daryl.
The only thing missing was a little finger to the mouth.
The only thing missing was a little finger to the mouth.
Depends on how much latitude we want to give them when it comes to reality vs. movie physics. Bullet fire on a tanker truck isn't going to cause any explosion. Gasoline simply isn't that unstable. It's a movie/TV trope for gasoline-filled things to explode from bulletfire and a couple times TWD may have succumbed to this, but plenty of times it hasn't. (For example when Carol fired on the Terminus propane tank she did it to expel the gas in it and then had to fire a bottle rocket in order to get it to explode.)
So they probably could have plowed through the blockade without much repercussion and, really, there was no reasonable reason for them to stop for this blockade of people obviously not up to any good.
Probably. Some Carol haters blame her for the troubles of the protagonists more than the actions of the Governor / Joe's claimed gang / Dawn's cop hospital / Randall's gang / Terminus / the Wolves combined.
If not for Carol, this series' cast of heroes would have been cut down to four people as the opening of season 5: Carol, Tyreese, Beth and Judith. They were the only people not captured by Terminus. So, the only reason Rick and others lived another day--up to the present is the strong, decisive leadership of one Carol Peletier.
No kidding. The Wolf was kidnapping Denise, and only helped her to save himself. There was no indicator he was going to--like the wink of an eye--change after being someone well into life as a Wolf--a killer.
Some are trying to--once again--damn Carol for anything.
Yes!
The case was not in the cab. It was in the back. Getting out, and moving toward the back would have earned a spray of bullets the second it was attempted.
Even if the rocket launcher was in the cab, its so large, Negan's stooges would have plenty of time to open fire. For the heroes, there was...ahem...No Way Out...until Daryl was ordered to the back.
He was not saving Denise. First, he kidnaps her because he needed a hostage (and whatever medical skill she had). After that, he helps her to give himself a chance after being bitten. There's more established character saying he would have allowed himself to be treated, then leave--or kill other innocents, instead of turning into a changed man.
Rick really fucked with Pete's family.Glad to see Michonne cutting people up.
They were all screwed up for some time; Pete was...Pete, Jessie made a B-line to Rick (under the idea of giving him a haircut) the second he arrived, she and the kids were already abused, and Ron was possessive about Enid.They were all too dysfunctional to last long, so its no surprise that the moment the ever-warned reality of the ZA entered ASZ, many would not be able to handle it, or related consequences.
See my reply above your quote. Sooner or later, Jessie's family were going to die. They had "Dysfunctional = victim" stamped on their collective foreheads from the start. It was just a matter of time when they would go.
It was equally absurd for Daryl to get a free shot without anyone spotting him, especially considering he needed to be at the side of the truck in plain view. Also, since when did bazooka's (RPG for those paying attention) explode in such a convenient manner? If I'd planted some TNT in the centre of them, I doubt it would have resulted in such a perfect body count.
He was only bitten because he went back for her. At that point, she was utterly useless to him and provided him with nothing. The show clearly wants us to believe that Morgan's philosophy is the right one. Fine, but it was so unconvincingly done. Even those who think Morgan is in the right must think it was a little convenient that this psycho kid instantly changed over night into the kind of altruistic hero who risks his own life to go back to help a stranger.
He had a better chance of suddenly moving from behind the truck and pulling the trigger (while Negan's stooge was focused on threatening Sasha and Abraham) than being in the cab, where they there was no room, or time to do anything.
That kind of weapon fired at point blank range is lethal, and usually designed to penetrate armor. Negan's gang had no chance no matter where it hit.
He was still kidnapping her; he ordered her to the ladder, but Denise--not a model of physical fitness--lagged behind. If the Wolf was not trying to use / kidnap her, he would have left her in that stairwell behind the iron gates. He was serving himself, not Denise, or some greater good. If he was not bitten, he would have forced Denise over the wall, as that was his intent.
Also important to remember the "grenade" part. And grenades, well, EXPLODE!
I pretty much agree with you, but there was a very small sign that the Wolf had changed in a very small way: He tackled a walker to help Denise escape. AFTER Carol shot him. It was pretty cool. He didn't have to do that. It suggests that at the very end he recognized something other than his total self-serving mode.
I mean, yeah, if he had lived, he would still have been a scumbag with a very short life expectancy. But it still shows that people can change, even if it's just a little.
That's what I took away from it. He also saved her from the walker that caused him to get bit in the first place. There's even a scene where he questions why he even did it since he could have left her to die and escape on his own.
There's even a scene after Carol shoots him that applies that Carol knew he was willing to die to let Denise escape, so she knew that Morgan was right on some level.
But why would he still want to kidnap her by that point? It doesn't add up. It's pretty clear that the place has been overrun by walkers. Taking a Mcfat-lass meal with you is beyond pointless by that point. He's gonna take her home to the Wolves and introduce her to his pals? Is that how they generally operate?
The whole thing was clumsy. Once they were outside, there's absolutely no reason for him to continue with the kidnapping. The writers kept them together (unrealistically) purely so they could have the Wolf exhibit his heroic heart.
So badly done.
Indeed. The bottle-rocket aim is one of the more ridiculous moments in the show and more ridiculous "Carol rolls a Natural-20 moments" ever since she leveled between seasons and became a hard-ass awesome at everything. Improbably head-shots i'll grant, sort of a conceit of the series. I'll grant that head-shots on Walkers are remarkably easy while at the same time head-shots on the living are improbable. Again, a conceit of the genre.
But aiming a bottle rocket?! Sorry, no. Those things go in an utterly unpredictable direction. You're lucky to light one and have it even go in the direction you pointed it, let alone exactly where you want it to go!
The RPG thing, isn't all that silly. It is, again, a GRENADE! An explosive device. So, yeah, it's going to explode when it makes an impact with something (after traveling far enough for the warhead to arm.) Maybe blowing the motorcycles into shrapnel and killing obliterating all of the bikers was a bit much but, it was a "movie/tv-show grenade." I'm just not entirely sure where the thing was. Was their a locker or a storage case or something on the back of the tanker truck? The cases for the thing were large and wouldn't fit in the cab with the three of them but... Where the hell was it around the back of the truck?
It's not too much of a stretch to buy that while concealed behind the truck Daryl was able to overcome the biker, muffle him and take him out, getting stabbed in the shoulder during the process. All of this in relative "quiet" around the back of the truck while the bikers were focused on Abraham and the others. I mean, shit, if we're going to accept walkers coming out of nowhere to bite people when they least expect it (like where the walkers who took out Sam and Jamie came from) then I think we can accept Daryl taking out the biker without anyone.
I believe Daryl's Natural 20s a lot more than Carol's, Daryl (for me) has earned his badassery as we've seen it. It didn't drop out of nowhere between seasons.
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