The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion
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Well, yeah. That's exactly the kind of thing you should be hoping for. Most criminals aren't actually masterminds, after all. That's why people get caught so easily.
Even if you want to rule out that trope, I don't see how you can get to 'not much repercussion'. The bikers all have guns and a clear shot through the obviously not armored windshield. The truck is not fast enough to just mow them down before they can fire. The bikers are also in a pretty decent position to get out of the way (maybe not the ones in the middle), after which they can chase the truck, shoot out all the tires, shoot the cabin full of more holes, possibly call reinforcements (since they are apparently part of a large group). They also know the area much better, giving them potential opportunities to herd the truck the wrong way, or come up with some way to make it crash/flip/etc.
Also, what exactly is the likely result of lots of gunfire hitting a grenade? I honestly don't know - maybe it really is safe as long as it isn't armed - but it certainly doesn't sound like a position you want to be in, especially when the grenade is sitting next to a giant fuel tank.
Maybe it was weird that none of them noticed him in the second before he fired, but it's not like he needed to walk ten paces from the truck and take a few minutes to aim before he could fire. If he could knock the guy out while hidden behind the truck, he could grab, assemble, and prepare the weapon while out of sight as well, then take one step out already prepared and fire.
I don't think the show is trying to say Morgan's philosophy is the 'right one' at all. I think this entire storyline is very clear on the fact that Morgan's philosophy has major downsides and risks. The point here is simply that Morgan's philosophy is not just batshit crazy stupidity the way some people make it out to be - there is some actual truth to it, even if it's usefulness and acceptability may be debatable.
In other words, the point is that neither philosophy is the 'right one' - Morgan's is risky and Carol's is also risky, just in a different way. Although I do agree that in this particular instance you honestly can't fault her for shooting the guy - as far as she knew at that point he was a kidnapper plain and simple, and any hints to the contrary happened completely outside her knowledge anyway.
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In order to hit the leader (in the centre) the missile either had to go through the truck or Daryl needed to be at an angle that not only required being at the side of truck but also quite near the front of it.
The bikers at the back left (as we look at them) who all had guns would have seen him long before he took the shot. In fact, I think one of them is looking at him in this picture.
In order to hit the leader (in the centre) the missile either had to go through the truck or Daryl needed to be at an angle that not only required being at the side of truck but also quite near the front of it.
The bikers at the back left (as we look at them) who all had guns would have seen him long before he took the shot. In fact, I think one of them is looking at him in this picture.
Well, we can discuss exact angles if you want to - I can think of at least one way he could do it that's reasonably plausible to me - but at that point I think we're officially overanalyzing the scene. This is still a tv show (that thrives on improbable headshots and unlimited ammo), and the question of whether the grenade 'should've' really hit the leader, or maybe actually 'should've' hit two feet to his left... I just don't see how that's a particularly important distinction.
And if you think one of the bikers actually did see him before he took the shot, but just didn't react in time, then from where I'm sitting that makes it actually even more believable than I expected.
...and the dysfunctional part of the family did not survive, but at least Sophia had the instinct to reach for Rick's gun, instead of Sam, who was defeated long before the Rick crew ever arrived at ASZ.
Denise displayed some medical skill, and after being treated by her, it makes sense to take her back to Wolf camp. That's the reason he still held her in custody as they made their way to the ladder; no human was pursing them in that sea of walkers, so using her as a hostage was no longer necessary.
The initial Wolves attack didn't suggest that they were especially interested in taking prisoners of any kind. It didn't suggest they had any plan at all. Just turn up, take shit, kill people, spout nonsense.
I'm not sure people with those behaviours (and who carve W's into their heads) are hugely concerned with having a doctor to deal with their boo boos. The whole thing was clumsy, convenient and unconvincing. It was done purely to bring the Morgan V's Carol philosophies to a conclusion (a draw?).
Honestly, I think what we're all missing is that the leader was monologuing.. He was riffing and very cocksure and his buddies in the back were listening in, focused on what he was saying.. Daryl, being a pretty stealthy guy, took advantage of that and easily got into position.
This. Since the mid season finale I've been dreading that story thread getting bogged down with them being caught up in some long drawn-out captiv-{{{BOOM!}}} Done. lol
Even though I claim #TeamMorgan, I agree with grendelsbayne on this... as opposed to clear "good vs. evil"... both philosophies each have positives and negatives.
I don't think Morgan will last long with our group...but i hope he decides to move on to somewhere else rather than letting him get killed. But it's an idea worth surviving, especially long term (i.e. 10 -20 years down the road)
I don't think Carol is the Devil -- but she definitely isn't God -- she doesn't know everything.
Her scare tactic with Sam made sense at the time when Alexandria seemed perfectly safe (and was even a funny scene), but with the sudden invasion, as well as no one else knowing about what she told Sam, no one could have prepped him, or insisted that he go with Gabriel. That turned out to be a disaster...almost killing Rick and prompting Ron to go ahead & shoot Carl. The shooting would've happened anyway...but maybe Carl could have avoided it like before.
But all of this has made this for sure the best mid-season opener, if not one of the best episodes of TWD. Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Who was Ron aiming at, anyway? Rick or Carl? I'm assuming Rick. Ron was reacting to what he did to Jessie. Plus the shot that hit Carl was nowhere near its original course.
Are we assuming there are still other Wolves out there? Obviously there could be, but this played like he was the last one.
The way I remember, Ron initially was going t shoot Rick, then he noticed Carl, and decided to go for him first.
I think there are, unless they mentioned it in Talking Dead. Perhaps the Wolves are who the Saviors are saving people from? The Wolf Trap seemed far too detailed for all of the Wolves to have died in Alexandria. The head wolf might be some kind of smarter cult leader manipulating his minions.
He was aiming squarely at Rick. His shot went astray when his arms spread out as a reaction to being skewered by Michone.
Yeah, that's about what I thought. I just couldn't remember if we saw specifically who was on the other end of the gun. Thanks.
Gabriel was useful to get Judith out of the action. That baby was so cute and looked so big eyed scared. But all this part was just to explain how Judith manages to stay alive through all the walker craziness AGAIN. This makes me sure that Glen and Maggie's baby will never be born. It's difficult to explain a baby not giving away their position by noise and used diapers leaving a trail. I think that Maggie will either die or miscarry.
This is one episode that you just have to re-watch and look for little details. (I just did)
One of the other things that struck me is how despite different points of view, strong willed people are starting to see the "other side"... look at Carol after the shot the Wolf. She heard him yell "Go!" -- like someone who has changed.
ANd then Rick talking about how he now believed in Deanna's dream.
Interesting how the Wolf made Denise stronger, and now a leader in this new community.
So how many times has Abraham saved Glenn now?
ALso, this was an opportunity for Greg Nicotero to try some different directing styles, such as the montage of humans fighting with the black background. That'd be an especially helpful trick for a low budget movie, but works here too.
Definitely one of the best episodes so far.
One of the other things that struck me is how despite different points of view, strong willed people are starting to see the "other side"... look at Carol after the shot the Wolf. She heard him yell "Go!" -- like someone who has changed.
ANd then Rick talking about how he now believed in Deanna's dream.
Interesting how the Wolf made Denise stronger, and now a leader in this new community.
So how many times has Abraham saved Glenn now?
ALso, this was an opportunity for Greg Nicotero to try some different directing styles, such as the montage of humans fighting with the black background. That'd be an especially helpful trick for a low budget movie, but works here too.
Definitely one of the best episodes so far.
They did not notice Daryl, since Negan Stooge 1 had all of the biker attention during his "will he/won't he" threatening of Sasha and Abraham.The photo hux posted was before the threats, and Daryl taken to the back of the tanker. Once the threats started, Daryl had the element of surprise, and no one is going to react/outgun the RPG once the trigger was pulled.
Exactly--the Wolf kidnapped Denise, and that's what everyone--Morgan, Rosita, Eugene and Tara--all believed. Moreover, he (Wolf) was taking Denise over the wall. He did not have some change of heart, and only followed her to receive help. He entered ASZ as an invading murderer--and he paid the price.
I think any group that spreads as far as Richmond (Noah's family location), where they demonstrated a mass attack capability, and sets up elaborate truck traps and walker control methods could not be just a handful of people.
She might have gained some personal self esteem boost, but I would describer her as a "leader" in the ASZ at this point.
Two times? S6/09, and in the tunnel (season 4), although he was only there because Eugene guided Rosita back to look for Glenn and Tara.
Everyone was looking at Abraham and Sasha for sure - hell, I'd totally forgotten about Darryl until we saw him holding the RPG. I was wondering for a second if they were on a mine or something! But I have no doubts that everyone was so taken with the will he shoot / won't he shoot thing that they totally missed Darryl stealthily stabbing the guy, lowering him to the ground, grabbing the RPG and shooting it off.
The scene WAS constructed to focus everyone's attention away from Darryl. Afterwards, aside form the notion that an RPG doesn't explode in flames like this (with weapons, *nothing* does - it was a kerosene mortar per Hollywood standard), the only thing that took me out of the scene was the notion that Darryl knew how to load, aim and fire an RPG without any real instruction. Unless it's as eas as flipping a safety off and pointing in the general direction you want to make go boom?
Mark
The scene WAS constructed to focus everyone's attention away from Darryl. Afterwards, aside form the notion that an RPG doesn't explode in flames like this (with weapons, *nothing* does - it was a kerosene mortar per Hollywood standard), the only thing that took me out of the scene was the notion that Darryl knew how to load, aim and fire an RPG without any real instruction. Unless it's as eas as flipping a safety off and pointing in the general direction you want to make go boom?
Mark
Agreed.
Well, if we've learned one thing about TWD's heroes, is that they're a traveling demolition team that can burn down or blow up just about anything. The RPG has to make a return--either in hands of the heroes or villains before the Negan storyline runs its course.
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