The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

[Trekker4747]

Fantastic episode, probably the best of the series to this point. Wow, Daryl taking out the Negan Lieutenants with the RPG was awesome, they blew up and I was like, "Wha...." then I remembered the RPG. But... where was it? Tethered to the back of the truck?

Sort-of shocked at what happened with Carl, wouldn't have expected the show to go there given the logistic of it, now having to always have Carl in a patch or makeup for the damaged eye. Nicotero's explanaton works fairly nicely on how the eye was damaged without taking a chunk of Carl's skull or brain with it.

I loved the jumpcut/montage of everyone fighting off the herd the music and intensity of it was great. Also cool to see Gabriel and Eugene nut up.

Was surprised to see Jessie and the kids go, but also not *too* surprised, I guess, given events in the comic.

So, with the fire in the lake luring the walkers, did they contaminate their water supply?

Some decent fake-outs in the episode, but I knew Glenn was safe. I think the walkers sneaking up on, and killing, Sam and Jessie was a bit cheap. Rick and Michonne didn't see them coming?!

I suspect a time-jump between this week and next, to sort-of bypass Carl's recovery and the Alexandria clean-up. Killing his Lieutenants likely will stay off Negan for awhile until he gets a new bead on them, besides they have to connect with the Hilltop community first.

Good to see the turn-around/awakening in Rick while at Carl's bedside, and how his actions inspired the other Alexandrians to go out and fight, it was a neat scene to watch them all rush out of their homes to fight the herd.

I do think the Wolf "turned around" a bit there, but his death was still earned and warranted.

Great episode and I credit a lot of it to Nicotero's direction, he really can deliver on the visuals. Again, some great shots and themes in the episode (again the quick-cut battle shot of everyone swinging their weapons.)

Okay everyone, so here we go...

 

[Mojochi]

I gotta say. Every gripe I had about that midseason teaser is completely fixed. I apologize for any bitching I did about it. lol. It was nice to finally see Daryl DOESN'T get taken prisoner for a change. Daryl is the effing MAN in this episode. In fact, I don't actually have any substantial complaints about this one. It did seem a little convenient that everyone just sort of stood there while the kid & his mom got eaten, but it's not really all that unforgivable. The truth is, everything & perhaps even everyone finally fell into place in a solid way, even fricking Gabriel. hahaha

This one gets a round of applause from me

 

[Morpheus 02]

Well, Carol has now killed people that no one else knows about. First it was Myka (or her sister, I forget)...Tyrese is dead.

Sam apparently never told anyone Carol's creepy stories. So that created trauma so that he freaked out. And then his mom, being a mom, died alng with him. And then THAT death triggered Ron going crazy and getting himself killed. But man...what a way to get them out of the storyline.

Negan's ambassador seemed interesting..too bad he died. But man-- in case anyone thought Darryl got soft...

The Wolf seemed to actually change...I wish he made it to the infirmary.... it'd be interesting if he got his arm cut.

(And yes I am #TeamMorgan... it looks like he was right, but thanks to Carol, we'll never know. But at least there was some legitimate debate).

Enid -- I like her more and more. Saving Glenn,now helping save Maggie...hope Glenn trains her a scavenger for everyone.

And this is like the 2nd time Abraham saved Glenn... great timing man. Hope Glenn says something to give Abraham a good sendoff, when the time comes.

 

[auntiehill]

That was a GREAT episode!

That was one HELL of an opener and the zombie siege definitely did not turn out like I thought it would. I hope Sasha & Abraham become an official couple. I love them together.

Oh, and ....Daryl. Fuck yeah.

 

[Evil Twin]

Welp, so much for my "Jessie survives and becomes Andrea 2.0" theory.

Definitely the best episode so far this season and chock full of comic-y goodness.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Well, Carol has now killed people that no one else knows about. First it was Myka (or her sister, I forget)...Tyrese is dead.

Sam apparently never told anyone Carol's creepy stories. So that created trauma so that he freaked out. And then his mom, being a mom, died alng with him. And then THAT death triggered Ron going crazy and getting himself killed. But man...what a way to get them out of the storyline.

Negan's ambassador seemed interesting..too bad he died. But man-- in case anyone thought Darryl got soft...

The Wolf seemed to actually change...I wish he made it to the infirmary.... it'd be interesting if he got his arm cut.

(And yes I am #TeamMorgan... it looks like he was right, but thanks to Carol, we'll never know. But at least there was some legitimate debate).

We've seen a lot of character growth but Carol proves an interesting challenge. While her instincts are strong for personal survival they do seem detrimental when it comes to developing a community.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It did seem a little convenient that everyone just sort of stood there while the kid & his mom got eaten, but it's not really all that unforgivable.

They did not want to break cover (as much as possible); notice Carl--he was pleading with Jessie, but she was lost in shock. She was doomed the second she allowed Sam to talk her into staying with the escape party. Her one, poor decision altered the course of episode; if Sam reamined with Father Gabriel in the church, the group would have made it to the cars, and moved the herd away. T

Well, Carol has now killed people that no one else knows about. First it was Myka (or her sister, I forget)...Tyrese is dead.

Lizzie murdered Mika.

The Wolf-boy was a psychotic killer. There was no place for his kind in Alexandria. He would have been better off (and probably lived) if he did not take Denise hostage, wasting time trying to control her.

Sam apparently never told anyone Carol's creepy stories. So that created trauma so that he freaked out. And then his mom, being a mom, died alng with him. And then THAT death triggered Ron going crazy and getting himself killed. But man...what a way to get them out of the storyline.

Sam was unfit for the ZA; he was an abused child, and spent most of his life behind walls, never having to face it. Even Sophia was better suited to deal with the situation, when she reached for Rick's gun (to shoot walkers) in "What Lies Ahead," her final episode among the living.

Negan's ambassador seemed interesting..too bad he died. But man-- in case anyone thought Darryl got soft...

I think 6B starting off with Daryl being the ultimate badass is a set up for things to go south for him.

(And yes I am #TeamMorgan... it looks like he was right, but thanks to Carol, we'll never know. But at least there was some legitimate debate).

The only reason he turned to help Denise was his desire to continue with the kidnapping. He did not change his mind, and try to get her to another safe area.

Enid -- I like her more and more. Saving Glenn,now helping save Maggie...hope Glenn trains her a scavenger for everyone.

Their conversations about those they have lost / why live in 6.8 / 9 were bonding moments, along with Enid saying she would follow him anyway. I do hope they build a connection between Enid, Glenn and Maggie. Perhaps she will serve the same function as Sophia in the comics.

We've seen a lot of character growth but Carol proves an interesting challenge. While her instincts are strong for personal survival they do seem detrimental when it comes to developing a community.

Actually, her instincts are solid. She was trying to protect the prison when she told Andrea to kill the Governor; if Andrea followed that advice, the events of "Welcome to the Tombs" would have taken a far different turn.While Martinez would take over, and might try to attack, losing the Governor--the charismatic focus of Woodbury--would have demoralized the group, or at least forced them to seek another avenue, other than war.

She was also right about Pete--with all of the stated physical abuse of Jessie and her kids, Sam wanting a gun, etc., eventually, some sort of tragedy would have struck. Since Deanna was just hoping it would all go away, Pete was a loose cannon/threat, which was not helping that community. Pete left to build his drunken rage was directly responsible for Reg's death, Sam's depression and fear and Jessie's indecision as the abused wife.

So... #TeamCarol!

 

[shivkala]

With all of the talk about what might happen to Daryl, I can't help but think his wound, right through one of his angel wings on his vest isn't some sort of symbolism/foreshadowing.

 

[Morpheus 02]

i think Carol might crack at some point... she keeps so much stuff in. I wonder if she'll feel guilty at a about Sam.

That said, I re-watched some of the earlier episodes thanks to the AMC marathon... her character has definitely grown, and in ways that are logical.

But despite having "good" intentions & actions...are they always the "right" or "best" ones? I do not hate Carol. The conflict & problems she creates are realisitic -- not the kind where it requires characters to make a dumb move.

We've seen a lot of character growth but Carol proves an interesting challenge. While her instincts are strong for personal survival they do seem detrimental when it comes to developing a community.

Definitely agree

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

With all of the talk about what might happen to Daryl, I can't help but think his wound, right through one of his angel wings on his vest isn't some sort of symbolism/foreshadowing.

It was through the wings? Good catch, and that does play as foreshadowing. He's survived being a prisoner of the Governor, beaten by Joe's claimers, fighting Governor 2.0, seconds from being slaughtered by the Terminus cannibals, a two (or more) story fall in a van, the Wolves' truck trap, and on and on. Eventually, his charmed survival rate has to run out. Perhaps your observation is a hint about that.

i think Carol might crack at some point... she keeps so much stuff in. I wonder if she'll feel guilty at a about Sam.

Sam was screwed up long before Rick's gang arrived. Pete and Jessie sheltered him from the ZA, making him--as old as he was--utterly unfit to even process the idea of the man-eating dead walking the earth.His parents failed him every step of the way. Carol might feel regret about not having enough time to really change Sam's worldview, but the outcome was beyond her time and capacity to act.

That said, I re-watched some of the earlier episodes thanks to the AMC marathon... her character has definitely grown, and in ways that are logical.

Agreed.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Wow... if only the majority of Walking Dead episodes were like this I wouldn't have any complaints at all! The opening scene with Daryl, Michonne and Abraham with Negan's men was badass, as was the battle to save Alexandria.

It was nice to see acts of stupidity be paid for by those that actually initiated the acts (Sam, Jessie, Son of Porchdick), instead of an innocent bystander (Dale). I was dreading the second half of the season because I was sure they were setting Sam up to be the insufferable kid void left over by COORRRRAAAAALLLLLL! finally becoming not irritating.

The only part that took me out of the episode was when Glenn was getting surrounded at the wall, all I could yell at the TV was "Quick, Glenn! Get under the dumpster!" I still get the feeling Glenn won't be the one meeting Lucille, and it will, in fact, be
Daryl.

 

[Mojochi]

They did not want to break cover (as much as possible); notice Carl--he was pleading with Jessie, but she was lost in shock. She was doomed the second she allowed Sam to talk her into staying with the escape party. Her one, poor decision altered the course of episode; if Sam reamined with Father Gabriel in the church, the group would have made it to the cars, and moved the herd away

Oh I realize it's a thin nitpick to begin with, but when I look for anything to criticize or scrutinize about this episode, that's really the only thing that comes to mind.

Once Sam is getting eaten, Jesse's shock & freezing is understandable, but I'd expect Michonne to immediately lop that kid's hand off & keep everybody trucking, once it's obvious that she is frozen. Rick is a little too "Deer in the headlights too" up til when Jesse becomes lunch. Then he kind of goes a little emotional too. Prior to that though, they just sort of gape face a little too long for what I've come to expect from those two, but like I said. If that's really the only issue in the entire episode, it's totally overlookable. There's even a certain amount of it you can argue away as being slow motion time delay, that much of the events happened faster in real time

 

[Admiral2]

Well, Carol has now killed people that no one else knows about. First it was Myka (or her sister, I forget)...Tyrese is dead.

Sam apparently never told anyone Carol's creepy stories. So that created trauma so that he freaked out. And then his mom, being a mom, died alng with him. And then THAT death triggered Ron going crazy and getting himself killed. But man...what a way to get them out of the storyline.

So now Carol's responsible for people she never even touched? I bet she's also a witch and a communist, right?

The Wolf seemed to actually change...I wish he made it to the infirmary.... it'd be interesting if he got his arm cut.

(And yes I am #TeamMorgan... it looks like he was right, but thanks to Carol, we'll never know. But at least there was some legitimate debate).

Oh no! The poor wolf was becoming a saintly Samaritan and the Evil Carol drilled him with half a clip! Whatever shall be done?

I cheered and moved on with my life.

Always. Team. Carol.

 

[Garak]

Loved the episode, I haven't been that stressed out watching TV since....the last time I watched The Walking Dead.

Was I the only one that thought Rick cut off his own hand for a second there?

 

[hux]

Fun to watch but I'm getting a little tired of the... Glenn's gonna die... Ha, no he isn't. Either kill him or stop that crap.

So you've got a bazooka but decide to wait until the psycho's in the street have pulled you over and taken your guns before you consider using it? A nice Daryl moment and everything but massively convenient. Rule number one of the ZA, don't pull over for biker gangs.

Then there's the Wolf. A mentally deranged freak who carves a W in his head and has a philoisophy that embraces killing but one tedious speech from Morgan and he's saving people? What? Is that how being a traumatised psycho works? And why exactly did he even want the doc with him. Once he's escaped, how does her presence benefit him? Convenient again.

And why wait til it gets dark to make a run for it? How does that help? Zombies have poor night vision? Well so do you. Make use of the daylight!

Rick really fucked with Pete's family. Glad to see Michonne cutting people up.

 

[auntiehill]

Loved the episode, I haven't been that stressed out watching TV since....the last time I watched The Walking Dead.

Was I the only one that thought Rick cut off his own hand for a second there?

Me, too! I kept thinking, "Oh no, Glenn's going to die for REAL this time; no, it's Maggie; oh no--the baby!"

From having read some of the comic, I was pretty sure that it would end with Rick losing his hand, but since they focused on Carl holding Jessie's hand, I knew it wasn't going to happen that way.

Poor Sam was pretty much doomed. When they showed him going full-on-twitchy in his room, I knew that kid wasn't going to make it out alive. I did kinda wonder why Rick didn't just clamp a hand over his mouth and drag him along but I guess those are too "un-zombie-like" behaviors. However, I thought this episode was going to be an absolute cast-clear out. I thought Sasha, Abraham, Eugene, Aaron, etc were all going to be wiped out.

 

[shapeshifter]

Great episode Shock and awe at every turn.

My gripe continues to be the variability of Walker behavior. One minute they swarm like stink on crap at the slightest inkling of non zombie behavior, the next minute they polity wait their turn to attack so as not to overcome the heroes.

It's jarring, but the good stuff makes up for that.

 

[Thestral]

I wish I was as excited by this one as everybody else, but... meh. Lots of exciting action, don't get me wrong, awesome Darrell moment with the RPG, nice to see everybody rallying and fighting together, blah blah blah.

But... I was just rolling my eyes throughout the "Sam freaks out and gets his family killed" scene. Predictable and boring as if they realized "oh man we need to kill some people too!" The only possible interesting twist (oh no Carl is shot!) obviously didn't lead to his death because no way they'll kill Carl. The whole scene smacked of needing a body count and trying to make it 'meaningful' so they threw in those flashbacks and made it super slo-mo and dramatic and glurrrgghhh.

Yes yes, this is the Walking Dead and people die, don't expect anybody to get out of situations alive. Unless they're Rick/Carl/Michonne/Darrell/Carol/Maggie/Glen(but maybe not Glen?) of course. I'll keep watching but I dunno, for some reason I just wasn't enthralled.

The only reason he turned to help Denise was his desire to continue with the kidnapping.

Nope. Or, actually, we'll never know.

 

[bbjeg]

I just watch it. I did a restart of the series a while back and planned to watch the previous episode before this one yesterday but fell asleep after work. Heh.

I liked the episode. Fantastic start. Gabriel has finally been redeemed to me and like that Enid has turned around to be another survivor turned ally. Michonne, Darrell, Carol, Sasha, and Abraham didn't disappoint, all doing what needed to be done. Eugene finally grew a pair but even though I forgave Gabriel's past deeds, I'm having trouble forgiving the whole get to DC BS. I did enjoyed the back to back fight to the finish though. A good episode indeed.

I do have one gripe with it. They kinda glazed over the boy saying mom at the end of the last episode. I expected him to die instantly. I want to say they completely ignored it but they even pointed it out in the opening recap.

Fun to watch but I'm getting a little tired of the... Glenn's gonna die... Ha, no he isn't. Either kill him or stop that crap.

I too am getting quite tired of the Glen is going to die/wait he's not gag they keep pulling. One of these days, they're going to actually kill him and I won't believe it.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Fun to watch but I'm getting a little tired of the... Glenn's gonna die... Ha, no he isn't. Either kill him or stop that crap.

So you've got a bazooka but decide to wait until the psycho's in the street have pulled you over and taken your guns before you consider using it? A nice Daryl moment and everything but massively convenient. Rule number one of the ZA, don't pull over for biker gangs.

Because the bazooka was in the back of the truck and the people were in the front. To get the bazooka they would have to stop the truck, get out, and get to the back of the truck without being shot by one of the six or seven guns being pointed straight at them. Obviously better to wait for a better moment to make a move - just like Darryl did.

Then there's the Wolf. A mentally deranged freak who carves a W in his head and has a philoisophy that embraces killing but one tedious speech from Morgan and he's saving people? What? Is that how being a traumatised psycho works? And why exactly did he even want the doc with him. Once he's escaped, how does her presence benefit him? Convenient again.

His seeming change of heart was unexpected, but he did have a good reason for wanting a doctor. He was injured.

And why wait til it gets dark to make a run for it? How does that help? Zombies have poor night vision? Well so do you. Make use of the daylight!

This really did bother me. Specifically that whole bizarre timeline. It's bright and clear when they go outside and when they decide to split up, then in the next scene it's almost pitch black yet they're still inside Alexandria, they keep walking for a while, then suddenly they're fighting zombies and inspiring everyone else to fight zombies. The zombies lose and... the sun comes up. So not only did it take them hours just to walk across Alexandria, but they then also fought zombies literally all night long and nobody went down from sheer exhaustion?

I do have one gripe with it. They kinda glazed over the boy saying mom at the end of the last episode. I expected him to die instantly. I want to say they completely ignored it but they even pointed it out in the opening recap.

That really confused me as well. How did his yammering not get them attacked right in front of the house? Why could they shut him up the first time but not the second? Why would Rick even agree to let him come on the extended mission knowing how he reacted when he left the house?