Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Dukhat]

I just want the the "Crossfield" seen in The Broken Circle to be an actual Starfleet design because it actual looked good. I'd love to see it again.

I have to say that this design looks far too good for something that Klingons just cobbled together to pretend to have a Starfleet vessel. No wonder they reused it for an actual ship in the same episode.

I'd also really like to see some of those older ships get the 2260s makeover at some point. I've seen other STO players flying their Malachowskis with TOS Miranda parts to great effect over the years.

Now if Eaves tweaked his designs to look like that, they would have been far more believable as ships that came before the TOS Connie.

 

[Enterprise1701]

A couple years or so ago, Pundus made this TOS Nimitz artwork for The Edge of Midnight fanfiction project. I suppose it is possible the SNW team has come up with their own take by now.

 

[Tuskin38]

They would most likely use the NuConnie aesthetic yeah.

I just want the the "Crossfield" seen in The Broken Circle to be an actual Starfleet design because it actual looked good. I'd love to see it again.

the engineering section is very NX-01. The impulse engines are even the exact same design, just red instead of blue.

Now if Eaves tweaked his designs to look like that

It wasn't up to him though. Bryan Fuller wanted his flat ships with square/blocky nacelles, so Eaves had to design them that way.

Eaves would have used round nacelles if he was asked to, which he then happily did when they asked him to redesign the Connie in DSC.

He even says in one of the books that when they first asked him to redesign the Connie, he was afraid they'd ask for square nacelles again, and was relived when they didn't.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I just want the the "Crossfield" seen in The Broken Circle to be an actual Starfleet design because it actual looked good. I'd love to see it again.

Has anyone distributed orthos of this design? It really has an NX/Akira kind of feel, especially with those catamaran modules and nearly-identical impulse configuration.

Seeing it clearly like this, it definitely looks like a viable design construction, not something simply hackneyed together by the Klingons to dupe Starfleet border defenses with a fake transceiver.

The context of on-screen dialogue that applied to it, combined with its appearance at the starbase, definitely presents some issues, though.

 

[Dukhat]

It wasn't up to him though. Bryan Fuller wanted his flat ships with square/blocky nacelles, so Eaves had to design them that way.

Eaves would have used round nacelles if he was asked to, which he then happily did when they asked him to redesign the Connie in DSC.

He even says in one of the books that when they first asked him to redesign the Connie, he was afraid they'd ask for square nacelles again, and was relived when they didn't.

Yeah, I’ve heard Eaves mention this before, and I’m not quite sure I believe him. He’s made excuses like this in the past. But you and I have had this conversation before.

As for the rumor that they’re reusing season 1 ships with round nacelles? Meh; as I said, we’ll see soon enough if that’s true. But adding round engines doesn’t change the design aesthetic of those ships. Most of them still look more advanced than the Enterprise. Unless they just used the old meshes as the base and then completely reworked the CGI, I’d rather they just come up with different, more TOS-looking ships.

 

[Tuskin38]

when Kirk takes a shuttle in 'A Quality of Mercy' it appears to be scaled similar to how it would be in TOS, it's pretty big compared to the rest of the ship

and I’m not quite sure I believe him

He has no reason to lie. And other artists have also spoken of Fuller's odd requests.

Most of them still look more advanced than the Enterprise

Maybe the original Connie, but not the redesign.

 

[Dukhat]

He has no reason to lie.

When asked about why his ENT Romulan Bird of Prey had nacelles that looked like they came right off of a Jem'Hadar ship, he also said that the producers wanted that. I find it a bit suspicious that he used the same excuse later.

And other artists have also spoken of Fuller's odd requests.

Who? And what odd requests?

Maybe the original Connie, but not the redesign

Both, actually.

 

[Tuskin38]

This is technically the original DSC Season 2 design. STO hasn't added modified SNW version (yet?)

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[Tiran O'Saurus]

Who? And what odd requests?

The costume designer about his insistence that Klingons should be bald and alien-looking, for example.

 

[Dukhat]

The costume designer about his insistence that Klingons should be bald and alien-looking, for example.

That wasn’t Fuller’s idea. Fuller stated that directly.

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

Yeah, it was Fuller's. You asked for an example of Fuller's "odd requests", I gave you one.

 

[Tuskin38]

I find it a bit suspicious that he used the same excuse later.

Why is it suspicious? He does what the producers request, they're his boss (well boss's boss or whatever)

Also the Romulan BoP he redesigned for Picard Season 1 had round nacelles because it was meant to be an upgraded TOS version.

And we do have another example of of producer meddling in Enterprise, remember the whole reused D7 model debacle? Eaves was also involved in that as he was the one that designed the replacement what wasn't used.

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah, it was Fuller's. You asked for an example of Fuller's "odd requests", I gave you one.

Um, no. Fuller was interviewed a few months ago and he stated that the bald alien Klingons were not his idea.

 

[Tuskin38]

When asked about why his ENT Romulan Bird of Prey had nacelles that looked like they came right off of a Jem'Hadar ship, he also said that the producers wanted that.

Looking at the BTS on the 22nd Century Romulan BoP M-A page, there's no quote from Eaves saying it was request from the producers, in fact he plainly says it was his idea in a quote from the Eaglemoss booklet for the model.

Though he does say someone higher up the nixed the bird that was painted on the bottom of it in his concept art. The ship with bird almost did appear in Season 4 however, but there was no budget left for the shot.

 

[Dukhat]

Looking at the BTS on the 22nd Century Romulan BoP M-A page, there's no quote from Eaves saying it was request from the producers, in fact he plainly says it was his idea in a quote from the Eaglemoss booklet for the model.

Though he does say it was the producers the nixed the bird that was painted on the bottom of it in his concept art. The ship with bird almost did appear in Season 4 however, but there was no budget left for the shot.

Thanks. Perhaps I misremembered about the nacelles as opposed to the bird pattern.

 

[Tuskin38]

Um, no. Fuller was interviewed a few months ago and he stated that the bald alien Klingons were not his idea.

Apparently that part of the interview is part of the Patreon version bah, I want to hear an exact quote.

All I can find is that he rejected the makeup in general, but nothing specifically about the bald part of the design.

Though interesting tidbits, Anthony Rapp was cast to play an Andorian Doctor, and Wilson Cruz was auditioning for the Stamets role.

Edit: oh I found this. But again he never specifically mentions the bald part like I said above.

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Both could still be true, he wanted bald Klingons, but just didn't like the makeup they designed

 

[Dukhat]

Both could still be true, he wanted bald Klingons, but just didn't like the makeup they designed

Since we saw bald Klingons in the Abrams films (which also take place pre-TOS), perhaps he was just extrapolating from that? If he wanted bald Klingons at all, that is.