The FASA Gorn ship reminded me of the ship from MONUMENTSuch a sad time…. I really loved the FASA RPG. I miss those days.
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Counting windows, and assuming decks are all roughly the same height as those at the saucer rim, deck 14 is approximately where the nacelle pylons attach to the secondary hull – so there should be plenty of room there.
Still, if you scale the 1701 up by 50%
, All the rest from TNG onward need the same scaling?
, All the rest from TNG onward need the same scaling?
No. They're still bigger.
pretty much yeah, everything from SNW is roughly twice the size now.
Nope. The returning canon ships in Picard Season 2 were still the same size.
Scaling up the Enterprise here does not mean you need to scale everything else up. This Enterprise is still smaller than the Enterprises that come after it.
Not that it can't be bigger, the Enterprise-D is bigger than the Enterprise-E for example. Sure it would smudge that one line from the TOS movies, but that's a minor retcon, it wasn't an important plot point.
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If you scale up the Constitution, class, the Refit, Miranda Soyuz, Oberth, Constellation and Excelsior classes then keep the Ambassador and everything after the same size it would work whilst also matching some of the effects seen in TNG, Of course it makes the Excelsior the same size as the Sovereign class but that works as the Sovereign could be a replacement for the Excelsior class, The Excelsior II from Picard could be another design meant to do the same job. The Ambassador would still be bigger than the Excelsior, just longer.
Minor retcon.
Just for the hell of it, I decided to get some pictures of the ships and then scale them based purely on the windows on the side and a guess at how many decks they have (without actually getting too deep into looking up MSDs etc). So in a universe where every Starfleet ship has the same distance between its decks, the scale might look something like this:
I haven't seen anything that makes me think they need to scale the TNG ships up though.
I haven't seen anything that makes me think they need to scale the TNG ships up though.
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There's debate about the true size of the Excelsior anyway, as outlined on Ex Astris Scientia – and despite the more-or-less canonical size being 467m the Deep Space 9 Technical Manual quotes a length of 511m (though it's famously wrong for almost every size it gives).
Another thing to consider is that the original Excelsior is bloody huge compared to the Constitution refit – approximately 3.7 times the volume (which goes up to a whopping ~4.2 times for the Enterprise-B variant). This is a bigger generational leap than from the Excelsior to the Ambassador (~3×) or the Ambassador to the Galaxy (~2×). So there's room for the SNW continuity Excelsior to be somewhat bigger than originally depicted, and substantially larger than the SNW Constitution-class, while still being significantly smaller than the Ambassador.
On the other hand – maybe in this continuity the Excelsior is now only slightly bigger than the Constitution-class, because rather than being a general-purpose cruiser she's much more heavily optimised for speed. The Enterprise-E is much smaller than the Enterprise-D (and even the Enterprise-C!) despite being more advanced.
Question: will this be on the test?Just for the hell of it, I decided to get some pictures of the ships and then scale them based purely on the windows on the side and a guess at how many decks they have (without actually getting too deep into looking up MSDs etc). So in a universe where every Starfleet ship has the same distance between its decks, the scale might look something like this:
I haven't seen anything that makes me think they need to scale the TNG ships up though.
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Just for the hell of it, I decided to get some pictures of the ships and then scale them based purely on the windows on the side and a guess at how many decks they have (without actually getting too deep into looking up MSDs etc). So in a universe where every Starfleet ship has the same distance between its decks, the scale might look something like this:
I haven't seen anything that makes me think they need to scale the TNG ships up though.
Love this!
And then doesn't measuring the MSD make it even bigger?
Edit: Oh that's mentioned in the EAS article.
Your size for the Ent-B is pretty close to how it is if you measure it via the MSD, which is 680.
Your NX-01 comes out at the correct length used in the show.
420 is about the size the TOS Enterprise comes to on Doug Drexler's cutaway using set heights.
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This looks reasonable.Just for the hell of it, I decided to get some pictures of the ships and then scale them based purely on the windows on the side and a guess at how many decks they have (without actually getting too deep into looking up MSDs etc). So in a universe where every Starfleet ship has the same distance between its decks, the scale might look something like this:
I haven't seen anything that makes me think they need to scale the TNG ships up though.
Just for the hell of it, I decided to get some pictures of the ships and then scale them based purely on the windows on the side and a guess at how many decks they have (without actually getting too deep into looking up MSDs etc). So in a universe where every Starfleet ship has the same distance between its decks, the scale might look something like this:
I haven't seen anything that makes me think they need to scale the TNG ships up though.
Would the SNW Enterprise still work at the TMP scale? It might make the refit more logical.
The windows on the SNW Enterprise sets match a 442 metre exterior, so the rooms would be too big for a TMP-sized ship. Then again the windows on the TMP Enterprise sets are too big for a TMP-sized ship too.
And the TMP ship struggles with an impossible Recreation deck (no concave floor, too tall), hammerspace corridor out of engineering going clear outside the deflector dish and people claim the cargo deck is too big too, but I haven't looked too closely at it.
Why the need for the refit to be the same, though? The whole point of reimagining is to reimagine. If they made TMP today it too would look different.
It'd presumably be using the same framework at least so it should be a similar size.
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