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Not sure. I was checking reddit last night to see what other people thought about Season 6 and apparently I might be in a minority thinking it's the best season. Evidently Jonas being there did rub people the wrong way, while I guess I have the mindset of binging the series and thinking Nemec did a good job for what he was given. I was personally glad they didn't write Jonas as a Daniel Jackson replacement, and to be honest, I'm having a hard time with Shanks being back because he was the one who wanted to leave. For someone who wanted to find some opportunities outside of Stargate, he sure couldn't let go of it. I know how important Jackson is on the Stargate mythos, but i feel like the way Shanks handled this situation left a lot to be desired.
Not sure. I was checking reddit last night to see what other people thought about Season 6 and apparently I might be in a minority thinking it's the best season.
On that I think you are in the minority, though I personally think Season 6 is in my top 3 and I would be hard pressed to rate an entire season like 6. But, I like Jonas a as a character, which I know many do not, and I think the exploration of villains was done well in 6.
But, I'm used to being the minority on this so, oh well.
Not sure. I was checking reddit last night to see what other people thought about Season 6 and apparently I might be in a minority thinking it's the best season. Evidently Jonas being there did rub people the wrong way, while I guess I have the mindset of binging the series and thinking Nemec did a good job for what he was given. I was personally glad they didn't write Jonas as a Daniel Jackson replacement, and to be honest, I'm having a hard time with Shanks being back because he was the one who wanted to leave. For someone who wanted to find some opportunities outside of Stargate, he sure couldn't let go of it. I know how important Jackson is on the Stargate mythos, but i feel like the way Shanks handled this situation left a lot to be desired.
I agree with everything you said. Daniel Jackson return is part of my problem with the 7th season. But yeah most don't seem to be a favorite of season 6.
Nope. He remains middle-aged Jack O'Neill in a teenaged body. Yes, that's right, the episode ends with a middle-aged man inside a teenaged body enrolling in high school with his sights set on all the girls, who are basically jailbait and would be illegal for him to do anything with were he in an appropriately aged body.
Which was one of the biggest criticisms with the episode's ending when it aired, that Jack O'Neill Jr is basically going to high school as a "wolf in sheep's clothing." On the DVD commentary the episode's writer addresses this by being surprised at this reaction, claiming it wasn't his intent when he wrote the episode.
Nope. He remains middle-aged Jack O'Neill in a teenaged body. Yes, that's right, the episode ends with a middle-aged man inside a teenaged body enrolling in high school with his sights set on all the girls, who are basically jailbait and would be illegal for him to do anything with were he in an appropriately aged body.
Which was one of the biggest criticisms with the episode's ending when it aired, that Jack O'Neill Jr is basically going to high school as a "wolf in sheep's clothing." On the DVD commentary the episode's writer addresses this by being surprised at this reaction, claiming it wasn't his intent when he wrote the episode.
That makes this episode very disturbing then, not to mention the scene I mentioned with Sam and the Briefing. I know it wasn't the writers intent, and this is the first time I've brought up the issue of gender/toxic masculinity in this thread, but that really jumped out to me more than any other time watching this series, unfortunately.
That makes this episode very disturbing then, not to mention the scene I mentioned with Sam and the Briefing. I know it wasn't the writers intent, and this is the first time I've brought up the issue of gender/toxic masculinity in this thread, but that really jumped out to me more than any other time watching this series, unfortunately.
That is an interesting interpretation of the briefing scene. I never really thought of it that way before, but you're right, it does represent toxic masculinity.
As for the ending, the on the DVD commentary the writer tries to deflect the issue by pointing out that Jack O'Neill is a gentleman and would never take sexual advantage of a teenager, regardless the circumstances. He figures the most that would happen is that Jack Jr. would develop a crush on one of his teachers and perhaps be a little too forward about it, but nothing serious would develop.
That is an interesting interpretation of the briefing scene. I never really thought of it that way before, but you're right, it does represent toxic masculinity.
As for the ending, the on the DVD commentary the writer tries to deflect the issue by pointing out that Jack O'Neill is a gentleman and would never take sexual advantage of a teenager, regardless the circumstances. He figures the most that would happen is that Jack Jr. would develop a crush on one of his teachers and perhaps be a little too forward about it, but nothing serious would develop.
Yeah that is left to the imagination. I think it would have been better if maybe Mini-Jack had kept the memories of Older Jack up to that age. I mean the Asgards have advanced technology, I'm sure they could have done something with memory as well. Then the question about remembering the Stargate program and his time in the Air Force wouldn't be an issue and he can grow up having a normal life. Maybe he will anyway, but I was surprised the whole memory thing wasn't even brought up.
Nope. He remains middle-aged Jack O'Neill in a teenaged body. Yes, that's right, the episode ends with a middle-aged man inside a teenaged body enrolling in high school with his sights set on all the girls, who are basically jailbait and would be illegal for him to do anything with were he in an appropriately aged body./QUOTE]
The age of consent in CO is 17, so technically legal. I love that episode because young Jack is super sexy, but yeah that's weird. All they really needed to do was just not have that scene like he's getting a boner looking at 14 year olds.
I don't remember his age, but it's a high school so not everyone is the same age anyways, it would range from 13-19.
Plus it's the USA, it's fine. Everything is fine. States have it legal for adults to have sex with like 12 year olds, as long as they get married after the girl gets knocked up.
I watched Full Circle last night. Forgot how much they had in that one episode. Almost feels like a two parter.
Great follow up to Changeling, and just a very nice Ry'ac, Bra'tac, and Teal'c story. I love how Bra'tac taught wisdom to Teal'c and now is doing the same with Ry'ac, especially the scene where Bra'tac tells him to look at what is going to happen to his father. It just seems like ever since the Changeling events, Bra'tac and Teal'c have gotten even closer, almost like they really do have a strong connection/bond between each other.
Was the end when Daniel said he actually felt a part of something important breaking the forth wall? It really did seem like it.
To the OP: Would you mind if I 'piggybacked' on your thread with my own "first-time" (I put quotes around "first time" because I'm not a complete novice to SG-1, but haven't ever before watched the series from the beginning) thoughts on SG-1?
Daniel is talking about his character feeling like he belongs with the SGC after his experience of being ascended. However, I could see how it could look like the actor admitting he made a mistake leaving and that he belongs with the rest of the cast. So I could see a bit of meta commentary in the scene, but not really breaking the fourth wall per se.
To the OP: Would you mind if I 'piggybacked' on your thread with my own "first-time" (I put quotes around "first time" because I'm not a complete novice to SG-1, but haven't ever before watched the series from the beginning) thoughts on SG-1?
My thoughts on "Children of the Gods" and "The Enemy Within": "Children of the Gods"
* Brad Wright and Jonathan Glassner do a fairly good job of trying to succinctly recap the Stargate movie, but there are enough differences between the mythology established by the movie and the mythology that SG-1 and its spinoffs ultimately establish that I couldn't escape the feeling that SG-1 ought to have started by retelling the movie's story verbatim as the Pilot of the series and then launched into the story these episodes tell
* That aside, though, the cast members who step into the roles of the characters that return from the film (Richard Dean Anderson as O'Neill, Michael Shanks as Daniel, Jay Acovone as Kowalsky, Brent Stait as Ferretti, and Vaitiare Bandera as Sha're) do a good job in making said roles their own, even if we don't actually see much of any of said characters aside from O'Neill and Daniel
* By modern storytelling standards, Teal'c turning his back on his fellow Jaffa and their Goa'uld masters seems to come out of nowhere, but Christopher Judge sells what he has to work with well enough that it's still believable enough to work as a narrative element
* Sam Carter's introduction works largely because of Amanda Tapping's no-nonsense sass, but could've worked better if context had been given to Kowalsky, Ferretti, and Major Samuels' dismissiveness towards her in the same way that O'Neill's dismissiveness towards her was
* Speaking of O'Neill's dismissive attitude towards her, I couldn't help but see it as a 'front'
knowing the romantic relationship that ultimately builds between them in later seasons
* I almost immediately liked General Hammond, and felt like his initial gruffness towards O'Neill was the perfect way to organically facilitate the resumption of O'Neill's career and the second mission to Abydos
* Given the way that the TV franchise completely altered the nature of the Goa'uld, the two episodes needed to spend more time with them so that Sha're and Skaara's possessions carried more emotional weight
Given the storytelling decisions that were made by Wright and Glassner, the two "Children of the Gods" episodes are actually quite good and are perfectly serviceable as an introduction to the Stargate TV franchise, although, as noted, there are things about them that could have been executed differently in order to make them better, esp when they're analyzed with the benefit of hindsight.
"The Enemy Within":
* For all of the niggles I had with the execution of certain things in "Children of the Gods", SG-1 hits the ground running with this episode, fully integrating Teal'c into the series while simultaneously solidifying Brad Wright and Jonathan Glassner's new mythology for the Goa'uld and making us fearful of the species in a way that the Pilot didn't
* I've seen enough of SG-1 to know that the series gets a lot of mileage out of stories involving SGC/the SG-1 team being pitted against "outsider a-holes", so seeing the origin of this "trope" was both fun and fascinating
* Kowalsky's death here might have carried even more weight if we'd seen more of Jay Acovone's take on the character, but it's still pretty powerful and effective as a way of "setting the stakes"
* I was listening to an SG-1 podcast called There's No Place Like Terra where the hosts were kind of lampooning how quickly Sam just drops after Goa'uld Kowalsky throws her around in the SGC elevator, but knowing that Amanda Tapping suffered a legitimate concussion during the filing of the scene makes it hard not to feel the gravity of the situation
* Establishing that there is a way to at least attempt to free a person from Goa'uld control - even if said way wasn't truly successful - is a nice way of getting audiences to at least hold on to the hope of possibly rescuing Sha're and Skaara, while simultaneously narrative seeding that possibility for Daniel's character and further setting his resolve to get Sha're back
* It'd be real easy to look at the scene where O'Neill jokes about wanting Kowalsky's stereo if he does on the operating table and take it at face value as an example of Richard Dean Anderson being flippant and snarky, but I think a 'read' like that kind of dismisses O'Neill as a character, even this early and doesn't do justice to the decision that O'Neill ultimately makes to kill Goa'uld Kawalsky using the Stargate
"The Enemy Within" isn't really the kind of episode that you might expect a show that is just barely starting to solidify its own take on the Stargate IP to tackle in only its third episode, but that's ultimately why it works as well as it does.
Daniel is talking about his character feeling like he belongs with the SGC after his experience of being ascended. However, I could see how it could look like the actor admitting he made a mistake leaving and that he belongs with the rest of the cast. So I could see a bit of meta commentary in the scene, but not really breaking the fourth wall per se.
