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The Presidential & VP Debates

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My standard question is, if Trump's pandemic response was so great, why does he lie about it so much?

  • Claim: The virus will go away without a vaccine. If that was true, why so much emphasis on the vaccine now?
  • Claim: Covid is no worse than seasonal flu. False, Bob Woodward has shared recordings of Trump saying he knew it was "more deadly than even your strenuous flus."
  • Claim: Cases were only going up because of more testing. False, because the test positivity rate was also going up.
  • Claim: Anyone who needs a test can get a test. So obviously wrong it needs no comment.
  • Claim: Hydroxychloroquine is a safe and effective treatment. False, the FDA had to issue warnings about using it, with studies showing it had no benefit for covid and had possible health risks.
  • Claim: Google was working on a national coronavirus testing website. False, Google knew nothing about it. A company affiliated with Google was working on something like that for the Bay Area.

One thing I can say for sure about the H1N1 flu was that the Regional Strategic Stockpiles were activated, because I was involved in it. We shipped PPE and Tamiflu from the national stockpile to regional health departments. In fact, just looking it up today for this post, I was very amused to see the main photo in a Washington Post story was the guy I worked with; I was there that day in 2009 when the picture was taken.

Without getting into a back-and-forth on the stockpile depletions etc., I can tell you one thing for sure: From the time I got involved in 2008 to 2016, we held annual exercises where we planned and practiced how to quickly set up a distribution center to send out supplies for a pandemic or bioweapon response. I would get automated test calls to my cell, work and home phone to verify if I could respond and how quickly. In 2017, 2018 and 2019, no more exercises. No more calls.
 
I was remembering a news story, looked it up this time
“It is purely a fortuity that this isn’t one of the great mass casualty events in American history,” Ron Klain, who was Biden’s chief of staff at the time
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/04/joe-biden-contain-h1n1-virus-232992
Ron said it was plain luck it wasn't worse.
JTB I don't remember anything of the time of any big Pandemic like Covid has been treated. I agree that Covid is more catchy, and I defer to you on stockpiles since you worked on them, and thanks for your service on that!
 
Feels Kind of personal to me...
I'm immunocompromised and disabled and the president you're defending by posting misinformation is directly threatening my life and the lives of people I care about in addition to the people of the country I care about; so yeah, it's pretty personal to me.

And that's just one of ten thousand problems with the man.
 
I have my own facts, statistics and sense, and it leads me down a separate direction from you and others.
I'm perfectly fine with people having there own opinions and likes and dislikes, were all unique.
Some don't like Trump, and believe he's done a horrible job, Fine, your entitled to your Opinion.
Some Like Trump and believe he's done a good job, again, fine, everyone is entitled to there opinion.

@Covid-69 Good luck and hope the best for you, but that doesn't give you the right to belittle me for my personal opinion. That is personal to me.

Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, I don't want a world with 1 opinion, More voices not less.
I'm just trying to have a conversation
 
Nope, I just quoted a Politico article earlier.. that good enough.???

Spew shit? Ok.. I don't agree with you and I get spew shit.. Sigh..
 
I wasn't a fan of Pres. George W Bush, but I never doubted for a moment that he thought what he was doing was in the best interest of the country. After 9/11, he stood up for Muslim Americans. Not because it was a politically correct thing to do, but because it was the right thing to do.

Trump is only interested in doing what's best for him. Instead of condemning hate groups, he tells them to "step back and stand by." He's upset with Mich. Gov. Whitmer didn't personally thank him for the work his Justice Department did.
 
Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, I don't want a world with 1 opinion, More voices not less.
I'm just trying to have a conversation
It's not infinite facts in infinite combinations, though. In order for opinions to mean anything there has to be a common frame of reference, a shared reality both participants inhabit. If basic facts are now fake news or countered by alternative facts, and the truth changes day to day, then opinions based on those constantly changing truths become meaningless.

And sorry, but it's kind of humorous using that quote since the last thing Trump supports is infinite diversity, or much of any diversity at all, except as something he can exploit for his own ends. Remember when he lamented receiving immigrants from "shithole countries" like the Dominican Republic and desired to get more from Sweden (and by that he meant white people)? Remember when he fearmongered that the caravans coming from Central America would spread disease (and then became the Trumphoid Mary of Washington)? Remember when he refused to condemn white supremacy and antisemitism after attacks on black churches and synagogues? Remember when he banned Muslim immigrants from Middle Eastern countries his company wasn't doing business with? Remember when he called Mexican immigrants drug dealers, rapists and gang members after being an admitted rapist himself and before he started pushing drugs he invested in on people and running the country like a gangster? Remember when he tried to get five black kids executed for a crime they didn't commit that wasn't even a capital crime? Remember when he and his dad blocked black people from renting their apartments and got reprimanded by the government?

I could go on, but not a big fan of diversity in any combination, that one.
 
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Humorous? I didn't ascribe that IDIC to Trump, I ascribe it to this forum and the treatment of the participants of this board.
 
Huh.. wheres the moderator saying something about personal attacks.. .. crickets..
Ugh..

Just because someone is a republican, conservative, libertarians' that doesn't agree with the democratic line doesn't equate to Nazi, thats a pretty powerful remark, one which I dispise quite vociferously.
 
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