The most disliked episode of the franchise - Final Showdown

[DevilEyes]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 2
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 1
Ferengi Love Songs - 3
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0
Extinction - 2

It has a certain charm that the others lack, even if it rife with plot holes.

I'm not sure what this charm may be. Since Code of Honor and Spirit Folk are also full of stupid racist stereotypes, you must mean the botched abortion analogy, the celebration of eugenics or the murder of helpless humans being presented as an OK thing?

Sorry to but in, but "Rascals", "Move Along Home", and "These Are the Voyages" didn't make the list? Hard to believe.

That's probably because those are only mediocre episodes, not bad ones.

Incorrect. TATV is a horrible episode and an even worse series finale.

And will somebody please explain why Code of Honor is hated? Granted, it's another example of a mediocre episode, but I've never understood why everybody hates it.

Ah those people today, they just have a thing against racism.

 

[Tiberius]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 2
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 2
Profit and Lace - 1
Ferengi Love Songs - 3
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0
Extinction - 2

Another for UtLL. It's cheesy, but in a good way.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I dont see people's problems with Ferengi episodes, I love them and always find them a refreshing change.

 

[Seven of Five]

I thought some of them were good. I liked Little Green Men and The Magnificant Ferengi, and I thought Body Parts was excellent. It's when everything gets mired down by the Ferengi family 'drama' that things tended to get a bit silly. The Dogs of War did well to give the Ferengi some decent closure though.

I've said it before in the ENT thread and I'll say it here - ENT's worst episodes aren't represented very well here. But then the TOS ones aren't either really - Catspaw and The Alternative Factor are better than a few other episodes. It's all part of the fun.

Just need to summon the spirits to get someone to mercy-vote the next round into action.

 

[BlueStuff]

Guess I'll save Ferengi Love Songs.

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0
Extinction - 0

I generally don't have a problem with Ferengi episodes (EXCEPT PROFIT AND LACE!!!) and see them as harmless fun. Anything with Quark-Rom interaction is fine in my books (EXCEPT PROFIT AND LACE!!!)

 

[SFRabid]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0
Extinction - 1

Extinction - Better than the TNG Prime Directive "let them die" episodes.

 

[Admiral Shran]

The Dogs of War did well to give the Ferengi some decent closure though.

The Dogs of War is where they put the final nail in the coffin for the Ferengi, IMHO.

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0
Extinction - 2

Another for Extinction. Like I said, the only problem I have with it is it's placement in the Xindi Arc - other than that, it's average.

 

[Seven of Five]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0
Extinction - 3

I'll vote for Extinction, to try and help us to get to the next round.

I don't like it more than say Catspaw, The Alternative Factor, and Elogium, but there are some deserving stinkers on the list that are stinkier than Extinction.

6.35 am - why am I posting here before work?

 

[Geck]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0

Agreed, saving Extinction. And giving my vote for the next round to...uhh...ermm.... :-\

Up the Long Ladder, I guess.

 

[Admiral Shran]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 1

Well all that's left are silly ones, stupid ones, offensive ones and boring ones. The best of the silly ones is Elogium, so it gets my vote.

 

[Tiberius]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 2

Another for Elogium, because it's about sex.

 

[DevilEyes]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 3

I really don't want to think about the Neelix/Kes sex but I vote for Elogium since it's at least not boring or offensive, and we're really scrapping from the bottom of the barrel here.

 

[Seven of Five]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 0
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0
Elogium - 4

Elogium is saved. It was sort of alright, compared to its competition. Sort of.

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 1
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0

I'll have another go at saving Catspaw. Miles off from being a good episode, but it at least tried to be interesting. It really shouldn't be here. Go on, have a heart, for the good of Halloween!

 

[RandyS]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 2
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 0
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 1
Ferengi Love Songs - 3
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk - 0
Elogium - 0
Extinction - 2

It has a certain charm that the others lack, even if it rife with plot holes.

I'm not sure what this charm may be. Since Code of Honor and Spirit Folk are also full of stupid racist stereotypes, you must mean the botched abortion analogy, the celebration of eugenics or the murder of helpless humans being presented as an OK thing?

That's probably because those are only mediocre episodes, not bad ones.

Incorrect. TATV is a horrible episode and an even worse series finale.

And will somebody please explain why Code of Honor is hated? Granted, it's another example of a mediocre episode, but I've never understood why everybody hates it.

Ah those people today, they just have a thing against racism.

Racism? I still don't get it. Because the people on the planet were all black? So what? If those actors had been all white, nobody would say anything.

What if they had been all Chinese?

I still don't understand.

 

[Orac]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 1
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 1
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0

1 point for Code of Honor for the Fred Steiner score.

 

[Admiral Shran]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 2
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 1
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0

Catspaw - it's not offensive or boring. Like Elogium, the worst you can say is that it's silly.

 

[DevilEyes]

^ Seconded.

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 3
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 0
Code of Honor - 1
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0

 

[Tiberius]

I really don't want to think about the Neelix/Kes sex but I vote for Elogium since it's at least not boring or offensive, and we're really scrapping from the bottom of the barrel here.

Just think about the Kes sex, much more fun that way.

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 2
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 1
Code of Honor - 1
Up the Long Ladder - 0
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0

I'm gonna vote for Shades of Grey. If they'd not been stuck reusing clips from old eps but been able to shoot new footage, show aspects of Riker's past that we'd never seen (such as his dad telling him that mum was dead, etc), this would have been really good. There was only one thing dragging SoG down, and that was not an artistic decision.

 

[tighr]

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 2
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 1
Code of Honor - 1
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0

I'll give one to Up the Long Ladder. Even though its racist. The daughter was good looking and Riker got to hook up with her.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Looks like DevilEyes' last vote got skipped. The list should be....

And the Children Shall Lead - 0
Catspaw - 3
The Alternative Factor - 0
Shades of Gray - 1
Code of Honor - 1
Up the Long Ladder - 1
Profit and Lace - 0
The Fight - 0
Spirit Folk 0