The Most Disliked Episode of TNG, Finals - 2025 Edition...
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Suddenly Human is a decent Picardt episode.
Struggling to choose now.
Up The Long Ladder" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
Struggling to choose now.
Up The Long Ladder" - 1
"The Price" - 0
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
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"Up The Long Ladder" was so absurd it stopped being all that bad.
"Up The Long Ladder" - 2
"The Price" - 0
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
"Up The Long Ladder" - 2
"The Price" - 0
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
Up the Long Ladder is pretty bad in places (Riker's casually murdering people, plus the eyerolling end). But it also has its moments. Most notably Mr. Odell sampling Klingon booze.
"Up The Long Ladder" - 3
"The Price" - 0
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
"Up The Long Ladder" - 3
"The Price" - 0
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
Brenna Odell was a fine example of a strong woman - I can see her running rings round the Mariposans.
So "Up The Long Ladder" goes down the short drop.
My vote for the next round goes to "The Price" posssibly more for its connections to "False Profts" than for its own virtues.
"The Price" - 1
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
So "Up The Long Ladder" goes down the short drop.
My vote for the next round goes to "The Price" posssibly more for its connections to "False Profts" than for its own virtues.
"The Price" - 1
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
Voting "Suddenly Human" again. Same reasons as before.
(It was supposed to be reset to 0 once "Up The Long Ladder" was eliminated. But since I was voting for it anyway, the count stays as 1.)
"The Price" - 1
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
(It was supposed to be reset to 0 once "Up The Long Ladder" was eliminated. But since I was voting for it anyway, the count stays as 1.)
"The Price" - 1
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
I will do "Bloodlines." At least this episode serves as a kind of funny meta-joke, that the producers went to Patrick Stewart and asked what he wanted to wrap up before the series ended, and this random plot point was his answer, and then they were kind of stuck making this stupid sequel episode that interested no one. (Is this actually the first in the infamous series of "Patrick Stewart having terrible ideas that get forced into the scripts"? Generations, Nemesis, early PIC...)
"Suddenly Human" bores me to tears, and there's something off-putting about it.
The "romance" scenes in "The Price" are just beyond vile.
"The Price" - 1
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
"Suddenly Human" bores me to tears, and there's something off-putting about it.
The "romance" scenes in "The Price" are just beyond vile.
"The Price" - 1
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
"The Price" - 2
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
The Price again! Cold olive oil rubbing takes the lead!
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
The Price again! Cold olive oil rubbing takes the lead!
Well, my next vote has got the following things in its favor:
1. Massage oil, I guess...
2. Not discussing what happens afterward regarding rashes, even if they wanted to, I guess...
3. A wormhole with what's easily the best subplot of the story, no doubt about that in the slightest. This is the only reason I'd give the episode another looksee and I'd fast forward through the rest of it before catching something. Eww...
"The Price" gets my vote to save.
Also, a bonus:
(Which was not coincidentally recorded in front of a live studio audience around the same year, isn't that peachy?)
"The Price" - 3
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
1. Massage oil, I guess...
2. Not discussing what happens afterward regarding rashes, even if they wanted to, I guess...
3. A wormhole with what's easily the best subplot of the story, no doubt about that in the slightest. This is the only reason I'd give the episode another looksee and I'd fast forward through the rest of it before catching something. Eww...
"The Price" gets my vote to save.
Also, a bonus:
(Which was not coincidentally recorded in front of a live studio audience around the same year, isn't that peachy?)
"The Price" - 3
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
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^ It's already been eliminated! 
Actually, no. It takes 4 votes to eliminate an episode in the Finals. There have been times when it's down to 3 or 4 episodes and one is at three votes but it still doesn't get taken out because another got 4 votes first.^ It's already been eliminated!
Anything can, and does, happen in these games! It's part of the fun!
I'll vote for "Suddenly Human" again. I watched "We'll Always Have Paris" the night before last in case I had to vote for it, but while I was at work it's already been saved (I didn't find it too awful, actually. In fact, I rather liked it!).
"The Price" - 3
"Suddenly Human" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 1
"The Price" - 3
"Suddenly Human" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 1
"We'll Always Have Paris" is the only TNG ep I feel like I legit do not know. I haven't been able to make it through it at any point in the last two decades. I have tried many times, and I always fall asleep within 15 minutes, even if I start it wide awake. That episode is just like a sleeping pill to me, I don't know what it is.
It was rather odd, and I don't understand how the time loops link in with Dr. Manheim's experiments with accessing a different dimension. I didn't think any of the science stuff was expained very well - or at all, really. Or perhaps I was distracted by how the pants of Jenice Manheim's horrid, shiny jumpsuit-thingy were tucked into those even more hideous boots!
I did think Picard's reunion with Jenice was quite sweet, though.
I did think Picard's reunion with Jenice was quite sweet, though.
Same here. Apart from the triple-your-Data scene at the end, where he comes across more as a non-psycho Lore anyhow, the episode is a snoozefest. Which is still better than "The Alternate Factor" which was just 50 minutes of
, this TNG entry is a clever mixture of and 
.On the plus side, nobody's belching the song "California Dreamin'" so there's that...
Great, now I'm going to have to watch that one again. I know it's supposed to have a weird feel to it for that "out of place" touch, but it always felt like low-rent version of "The Best of Both Worlds" where, this time, it's a human kid abducted by another species who is now being returned to the humans and has difficulties because he was a kid and Jerry or Maury stepped in or something (it has been a while since I saw this one...). With other early season 4 escapades also involving family and/or trauma after abduction as core plot elements, this episode really got tedious really quick. To compare, where not only "Remember Me" felt like an original take as well as interesting inversion on the trope (Beverly abducted by Wesley's warp bubble experiment gone bust), it was by this point that I was also starting to refer to this story inadvertently as "Suddenly Salad". A breather and change of trope between going back to the same wishing well of this trope would have helped a lot, even back then... That said, there is a good story in there with the custody battle issue and all, but it's the third story relying on a similar theme in a row - fourth if you include Picard being abducted and all - which coasts on a now too-similar trope.
On the plus side, and you know I'll find something, that howling would make the perfect ringtone or notification tone. Especially if you're in a packed movie theater, though it's harder to make a popular blockbuster nowadays.
Which is right in tune with TOS's "Alternate Factor"'s half-baked explanations over the eeeeeeeepic threeeeeeeeat of the univeeeeeeeeese is at stakeeeeeeeeeeee and not quite making sense too, it's all good.
(Or is that "steeeeeeeeeak:? Only if the episode had any meat to it, which it didn't...)80s.
Yeah, I literally do not know what people are talking about. I can not believe to what extent I have no idea what happens in "We'll Always Have Paris"!
Maybe I'll try again to rewatch it tonight. Literally at this point I feel like I must watch it standing to avoid falling asleep.
It's always hard to get past that it opens with a time loop, this is the episode after Tasha dies, and no one says "hey, can we use this timeloop to hop back a week and undead Tasha?"
Maybe I'll try again to rewatch it tonight. Literally at this point I feel like I must watch it standing to avoid falling asleep.
It's always hard to get past that it opens with a time loop, this is the episode after Tasha dies, and no one says "hey, can we use this timeloop to hop back a week and undead Tasha?"
The Price has been paid saved. Suddenly Human is my final vote because I just biologically can't save Bloodlines.
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 0
I'll go for "Bloodlines" even though it's boring to the point of being unwatchable; the clumsy "abducting war orphans isn't all bad" messaging and smug ending of "Suddenly Human" is too much for me.
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
"Suddenly Human" - 1
"Bloodlines" - 1
Voting "Suddenly Human" a final time. Same reasons as before.
(Interesting how both final episodes deal with fatherhood for Picard as the story.)
"Suddenly Human" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 1
(Interesting how both final episodes deal with fatherhood for Picard as the story.)
"Suddenly Human" - 2
"Bloodlines" - 1
Don't remember "Bloodlines". So, abstaining.
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