The most disappointing Trek Movie..

[KirksStuntMan]

Yea, but that wasn't the best thing about it. A Star Trek movie should portray what it's all about and does best, not pander to a more general broader audience.

Agreed. A little camp/humor in ST is okay with me, but when they go overboard like in "A Piece of the Action" then I start to cringe. Remember what Yeoman Rand said about the strange crewman in "The Man Trap"..."Do you think he's gone space happy?" Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of the crew aboard the Enterprise when they start acting silly. However, IMO the jokes in Star Trek IV were pretty low key and spread out enough where they didn't seem to interfere too much with the plot. The rest of the ST movies were really serious for the most part.

 

[xortex]

I'm not happy Trek '09 made money. Not at all. That's not what makes Star Trek great. Talk about listening to the fans. Money talks.

 

[Darth Duck]

Yea, but that wasn't the best thing about it. A Star Trek movie should portray what it's all about and does best, not pander to a more general broader audience.

To portray what Trek is all about the movie would have to be light-hearted and deadly serious, romanitc and goofy, be and in-depth character study of Kirk or Spock while tackling broad social themes and hard science fiction while playing it for laughs.
The villain should be a brilliantly evil and bumbling, a genius and a goofball, possibly a space-probe or computer but with a fatal human weakness, an existential threat but with nice legs because Kirk is a sucker for nice legs.
Or maybe Trek is all sorts of different things and you can't emphasize all of them at once so trying different things within the format is what Trek is all about and does best.
"The Trouble with Tribbles" and "City on the Edge of Forever" are two vastly different stories but are still Star Trek.

 

[sonak]

Yea, but that wasn't the best thing about it. A Star Trek movie should portray what it's all about and does best, not pander to a more general broader audience.

To portray what Trek is all about the movie would have to be light-hearted and deadly serious, romanitc and goofy, be and in-depth character study of Kirk or Spock while tackling broad social themes and hard science fiction while playing it for laughs.
The villain should be a brilliantly evil and bumbling, a genius and a goofball, possibly a space-probe or computer but with a fatal human weakness, an existential threat but with nice legs because Kirk is a sucker for nice legs.
Or maybe Trek is all sorts of different things and you can't emphasize all of them at once so trying different things within the format is what Trek is all about and does best.
"The Trouble with Tribbles" and "City on the Edge of Forever" are two vastly different stories but are still Star Trek.

Xortex is obviously a "Star Trek fundamentalist:"

"this is what Star Trek is! It is what I say it is and that's that!"

 

[xortex]

You're right. I don't think Star Trek is about Kirk and Spock getting on a bus and not having exact change or a movie that is written by Mr. Spock or the Shat either.

My second worst moment was Kirk shouting Khannn! That might have been something Harve Bennet would do being a 60's burnt out degenerate but not Kirk.

 

[Ziriath]

Comedy aspect is an important thing in Star trek TOS. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. For me, The trouble with tribbles is the first case, I, Mudd or Plato's stepchildren is the second.
TVH is the second case, and its humour is IMO quite shallow. Kirk and Spock walkin' around in a city and gettin' on a bus and not having exact change, this is not Star trek for me. That Spock in bathrobe is not the Spock I know and love, the Spock, who is known for his elegance, dignity and sophisticated sense of humour.

 

[KirksStuntMan]

My second worst moment was Kirk shouting Khannn! That might have been something Harve Bennet would do being a 60's burnt out degenerate but not Kirk.

Khannnnnnnn!!!

ST:TMP was a real bummer for me. Paramount could have followed TMP with Bugs Bunny as Captain Kirk and it would have been infinitely better. I liked STII simply because I could compare it to the horrible flick that preceded it. Now that I look back on STII, it was an okay movie, but not a fantastic movie. It would have worked better if they had done a sequel to "Space Seed" in TOS, but I think too much time had passed since TOS for Ricardo to reprise his role. He looked like an escapee from a senior citizens home rather than a product of genetic engineering.

 

[Relayer1]

I thought the first 2 ToS movies were excellent, for different reasons.

TBH my 3 worst would be 5, 5 and 5 in that order, but if pushed I'd say 5, 7 and 9.

 

[sonak]

Comedy aspect is an important thing in Star trek TOS. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. For me, The trouble with tribbles is the first case, I, Mudd or Plato's stepchildren is the second.
TVH is the second case, and its humour is IMO quite shallow. Kirk and Spock walkin' around in a city and gettin' on a bus and not having exact change, this is not Star trek for me. That Spock in bathrobe is not the Spock I know and love, the Spock, who is known for his elegance, dignity and sophisticated sense of humour.

I have never heard of "plato's stepchildren" being referenced as a comedy before.

 

[KirksStuntMan]

I have never heard of "plato's stepchildren" being referenced as a comedy before.

I'm sure that the writer of "Plato's Stepchildren" thought he was doing an excellent morality tale, but every time I see this episode I cringe with disgust. Spock reciting poetry??? Kirk and Spock dancing and singing??? I would not protest if this episode was never shown again.

 

[Joker]

Xortex is obviously a "Star Trek fundamentalist:"

He isn't really. Purist fans tend to have coherent thoughts on their own version of what Star Trek really is, rather than the meandering ramblings xortex keeps posting.

 

[Ziriath]

Comedy aspect is an important thing in Star trek TOS. Sometimes it works for me, sometimes not. For me, The trouble with tribbles is the first case, I, Mudd or Plato's stepchildren is the second.
TVH is the second case, and its humour is IMO quite shallow. Kirk and Spock walkin' around in a city and gettin' on a bus and not having exact change, this is not Star trek for me. That Spock in bathrobe is not the Spock I know and love, the Spock, who is known for his elegance, dignity and sophisticated sense of humour.

I have never heard of "plato's stepchildren" being referenced as a comedy before.

I was never certain, what it was supposed to be. I saw it when I was 11, and then it seemed to me like some really bad and weird comedy. I still do not want to see it again.

 

[KirksStuntMan]

I was never certain, what it was supposed to be. I saw it when I was 11, and then it seemed to me like some really bad and weird comedy. I still do not want to see it again.

The first time I saw "Plato's Stepchildren", I thought it was the ST Blooper Reel for season 3. Meyer Dolinsky actually got paid a writer's fee for that nonsense?!?!

 

[xortex]

'Plato's Stepchildren' wasn't meant to be a comedy at all but sadistic and cruel and evil and Shatner and Nimoy didn't intend to make it funny but deadly serious as Permen was going to kill them after kirk's littl kiss with Uhura and McCoy signed on.

I don't want to see myself get on a bus, why would I want to see Kirk and Spock do it? Unless you think the core message of Trek is getting on a bus, which it might be to some. I think it is more about altruism, hope and beauty set in a science fiction setting and story and not about those things being about the franchise itself and reserved for the writers/actors, their children and bank acct's etc. They never took a bus in their life. 18 yrs of Berman. Now 18 yrs of JJ. I can't think of two more shallow people except for the movies written by Kirk and Spock.

 

[sonak]

'Plato's Stepchildren' wasn't meant to be a comedy at all but sadistic and cruel and evil and Shatner and Nimoy didn't intend to make it funny but deadly serious as Permen was going to kill them after kirk's littl kiss with Uhura and McCoy signed on.

I don't want to see myself get on a bus, why would I want to see Kirk and Spock do it? Unless you think the core message of Trek is getting on a bus, which it might be to some. I think it is more about altruism, hope and beauty set in a science fiction setting and story and not about those things being about the franchise itself and reserved for the writers/actors, their children and bank acct's etc. They never took a bus in their life. 18 yrs of Berman. Now 18 yrs of JJ. I can't think of two more shallow people except for the movies written by Kirk and Spock.

Kirk and Spock getting on a bus wasn't exactly the major plot point or theme of TVH.

 

[Darth Duck]

Why do you hate public transportation?

 

[xortex]

Would you rather drive what JJ is driving or take a bus. I have to admit, I wouldn't mind seeing you take a bus, though.

 

[Darth Duck]

I frequently take the bus. I support public transit as it is a cost effective and environmentally friendly way of getting around. By taking the bus Kirk and Spock were being good role-models for the children because this Earth is precious.

 

[KirksStuntMan]

I used to ride the bus all of the time in San Francisco, until I had a problem one day with two strangers who didn't like my punk music. I don't remember much about the bus ride after that. Strange.

 

[xortex]

This guy is my role model. In fact, no kidding but he looks just like me. Wait a minute. It is me. Sorry.