The most disappointing Trek Movie..

[Solkar]

I hardly ever chime in around here any more, but any time I can heap scorn on Generations, I'll do my part.

Although I was generally disappointed by all the TNG movies, Generations was the only one to which I've had a violently negative reaction. I drove home yelling and screaming.

It's not just that the Nexus is a giant plot hole. It's not just that Kirk's death is lame and senseless and unnecessary. It's not just that Picard picks a time too close to the event to try to stop Soran.

It's that Soran gets what he wants. The Guinan echo makes it a point to state that "time has no meaning" in the Nexus. Given that, Soran succeeded in getting into the Nexus the first time around. Going back in time won't remove him from the Nexus or undo that.

For me, the movie basically ends with the crash of the Enterprise. The rest of the movie is just monkeys humping footballs.

As for First Contact ... it's got its share of deep flaws, too, but one of the things I hate the most is that Lilly has a lot of great lines that, by all rights, should have gone to Beverly. It should have been Beverly confronting Picard with the Moby Dick references and such. By that time, we'd been living with these characters for 10 years, and their relationship extended well beyond that. She disagreed with him, and she had the right -- both personally and professionally -- to explain it to him in terms he could understand. I think it was a horrible missed opportunity.

 

[JarodRussell]

It's that Soran gets what he wants. The Guinan echo makes it a point to state that "time has no meaning" in the Nexus. Given that, Soran succeeded in getting into the Nexus the first time around. Going back in time won't remove him from the Nexus or undo that.

But that wasn't really the point. Whether Soran gets into the Nexus or not wasn't the issue. That he killed millions of people in the process was.

 

[The Dominion]

[All of the movie] is just monkeys humping footballs.

Fix'd

 

[22 Stars]

For its placement in Trek history, ST V has to win. Trek was at an all time high, ST IV had been a HUUUUUGE success, TNG was on the air and America was ready to usher in a Trek golden age. And what did we get? Four words never to be uttered in the English language again..... Directed by William Shatner.

 

[Mayack419]

Nemesis was horrible. Hey, I have an idea. Let's kill Data in order to save Picard's old wrinkly ass, then we'll replace him with a retarded version. YEAH!

 

[Psion]

For its placement in Trek history, ST V has to win. Trek was at an all time high, ST IV had been a HUUUUUGE success, TNG was on the air and America was ready to usher in a Trek golden age. And what did we get? Four words never to be uttered in the English language again..... Directed by William Shatner.

While I agree about the failings of Final Frontier, you should know that after that film, Shatner continued to direct TV shows, TV movies, low-budget movies, and two documentaries. He's not a big name in directing circles, and Trek V will remain his director's albatross regardless of his other efforts, but those words will continue to be uttered.

 

[sonak]

For its placement in Trek history, ST V has to win. Trek was at an all time high, ST IV had been a HUUUUUGE success, TNG was on the air and America was ready to usher in a Trek golden age. And what did we get? Four words never to be uttered in the English language again..... Directed by William Shatner.

If we're going by sheer damage to the film franchise, INS or NEM would be the better bet.

It's true that TFF was a huge disappointment after TVH, and there were rumors that it was going to torpedo the film series,m but they ended up going on right after it with TUC, and anyway TNG was keeping Trek strong.

In contrast, NEM was a colossal bomb that created the longest gap in Trek movies and necessitated a reboot to clean up the mess. It also arguably needed to be a success due to the failures of ENT at the time. A successful "Nemesis" would have made the state of Trek at that time look a little better. Instead "Nemesis" contributed to Trek's near demise.

 

[22 Stars]

For its placement in Trek history, ST V has to win. Trek was at an all time high, ST IV had been a HUUUUUGE success, TNG was on the air and America was ready to usher in a Trek golden age. And what did we get? Four words never to be uttered in the English language again..... Directed by William Shatner.

If we're going by sheer damage to the film franchise, INS or NEM would be the better bet.

It's true that TFF was a huge disappointment after TVH, and there were rumors that it was going to torpedo the film series,m but they ended up going on right after it with TUC, and anyway TNG was keeping Trek strong.

In contrast, NEM was a colossal bomb that created the longest gap in Trek movies and necessitated a reboot to clean up the mess. It also arguably needed to be a success due to the failures of ENT at the time. A successful "Nemesis" would have made the state of Trek at that time look a little better. Instead "Nemesis" contributed to Trek's near demise.

Oh I agree with that. I was just remembering a cartoon in Newsweek I think in 1989 that showed a dejected Shatner (as Kirk) looking up at a movie marquee that said STAR TREK V.. Directed by William Shatner and was captioned 'words and phrases that left the English language in 1989

 

[22 Stars]

And yes, if they somehow could have made a great Trek film instead of Nemesis, that did FC or ST IV money then history would have forever been changed... and not necessarily for the good. Yes, PS and the TNG crew would have been given another chance, but Trek would have been in an odd spot. The new Paramount brass didn't want to make 'B' movies anymore, and I don't think they would have given the old guard JJ money...